[tied] Re: [pieml] Labiovelars versus Palatals + Labiovelar Approximant
>South American Spanish used [gu] to represent native /w/. Now the
> I don't know much about Spanish,
> but your examples suggest /g/ is dropped in the context g+u+vowel in
> some Spanish dialects,
> they say nothing about /w/ being a phoneme.
process run reverse; check comments on YouTube, apparently they don't
know your rule. Weno. (And [k] for [qu] too).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: [pieml] Labiovelars versus Palatals + Labiovelar
> On 2008-11-11 22:05, Arnaud Fournet wrote:
>> Example :
>> *puH1 > pH1u
>> Greek phusa, Armenian phukh, Indic phut-
>> (But Basque buhatu, Uralic puj-)
> Pff! Don't forget Eng. phew and (Winnie the) Pooh.
Phew : used to express relief, fatigue, surprise or disgust.
I can't see the connection with *puh1
> onomatopoeic root is of little use in comparative analyses, even if
> something like *p(H)uh1- is vaguely reconstructible for PIE. It is good
> linguistic practice to disqualify such forms as evidence if you're
> trying to establish a sound correspondence.
Onomatopeic words very often end up working like standard words.
Pigeon does not look onomatopeic but pipio does.
Anyway about everything is somehow onomatopeic.
*Gwow cow is, and H2ak "stone" as well.
But if you insist on using
> it, the Armenian 'wind' word is really <pHowkH> (< *pHuh1-ko-, according
> to Olsen), and the Greek 'breath' word is <pHûsa>, both reflecting
> _long_ *u:, and therefore _not_ derivable from *ph1u-.
Lejeune writes Armenian as being phukh
which is why I wrote it that way.
Anyway pHowkH can be from *ph1u > *PH_u > *phow-
the vowel u is reinterpreted as w and a vowel o is inserted.
standard IE morphonology.
Greek is not attested in Ionian
it's a LW from some other dialect/language
for that matter, the exact prototype cannot be stated.
Anyway, lenghthening of u is standard procedure in Greek.
Cf. verbs in nu(:)-mi
>> I think my new proposal works.
>> => Your turn.
> You haven't finished your turn. Your proposal "works" with two examples
> and a rule designed specifically to explain their different behaviour.
> There's nothing to reject here.
> > Piotr
It's interesting to note that *tu(H) "you" is -th-a in perfect.
You have not explained if
k^H and kH can be distinguished ?