[tied] Re: Sin once more
- --- In email@example.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> >(GK) The point is and remains that whatever you draw from Snorri
> > Saxo about "events in Germania at the time" has no relationshipto
> > either the history, pre-history,or archaeology of Eastern Europethat
> > east of the Bug, about which I have some knowledge (:=)).
> (TP)Yes, we haven't discussed that much. Last thing you told me was
> around the middle of the first century BCE, some Iranian-speakingfolk
> attacked the, was it Zarubintsy? culture, forcing them to migrate****GK: 50 CE, not 50 BCE. Only those of the upper Pripet migrated to
> south to Galicia.
Galicia. Those of the Middle Dnipro who bore the brunt of the
Sarmatian assault (these Sarmats were part of the Late Scythian State
led by the Satarchai Spali, later defeated by the Goths as Jordanes
recounts) migrated northeastward, creating the preconditions for the
historical emergence of the Slavs. The "Zarubinians" of Galicia
eventually became a component of the Goths.****
- --- On Wed, 10/1/08, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> --- On Tue, 9/30/08, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@ ...> wrote:That's not what I said. Dio Cassius draws the general conclusion that
> when he claims has has been attacked by "omnes
> > Galliae civitates", then that is from his point of view what had
> > happened.
> > GK: We don't know what Ariovistus said. Caesar wrote DBG.
> What C. wrote A. said was damning to Caesar, so much that Dio
> Cassius could use it against him.
> GK: Cassius Dio does not confirm your fantasy of a common
> assault of Aedui and Sequani against Ariovistus before Caesar's
Cesar started without sufficient grounds, and one of the things that
would give him that impression is Caesar's account of the negotiation.
> (GK)And DBG 6:12 confirms the traditional account.DBG 6:12 doesn't mention any conflict between the Sequani and
Ariovistus at all.
****GK: Exactly. Because there wasn't any such conflict along the lines of your "theory". What DBG 6.12 confirms is that Magetobriga and its aftermaths occurred before Caesar's arrival in Gaul in early 58 BCE. Every investigator prior to you who put together 1.31 and 6.12 "got it". You don't seem to "get it". That's tough, but that's your problem,and no excuse for flogging dead horses.****