Re: [tied] Re: The oddness of Gaelic words in p-
- At 4:06:51 PM on Sunday, June 1, 2008, tgpedersen wrote:
> --- In email@example.com, "Brian M. Scott"Must be hell to have to worry about suffocating when all of
> <BMScott@...> wrote:
>> At 6:46:24 AM on Sunday, June 1, 2008, tgpedersen wrote:
>>> Here are some comparanda:
>>> I have peppered the various entries (from Kuhn) with
>>> what I could find in Irish, Welsh and Breton
>>> (occurrences in Breton are particularly difficult to
>>> explain as loans from English).
>> And the very first one completely misses the obvious
>> source of Irish <peacadh>, Breton <péc'hed>, and Welsh
>> <pechod> (not to mention OIr <peccad>): these are
>> borrowings of Latin <peccatum>.
> Yes, we've discussed those before, and my answer now as
> then is that a derivation from Latin is likely, but
> there's the odd chance it goes with the rest of Kuhn's
the oxygen in your room just happens to end up near the
> For one thing, the geminate in Latin bothers me, [...]It's the result of assimilation: *TK > KK is regular in
Latin. Weiss gives as examples
*ad-gradior 'approach' > aggredior
*ad-causa:- 'charge' > accu:sa:re
*ped-ka:- 'sin' > pecca:re,
noting Vedic <pádyate> 'falls' in connection with the last.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Wordingham" <richard.wordingham@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] English Lack of /a/ (was: The oddness of Gaelic words in
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@...>
> Then what about PIE <a:>? Do you believe it was a lowish central
Remind me, where does it occur? AFAIK Sanskrit /a:/ is a proper low
> Why did <a> not survive in PIE?
Pre-PIE /a/ must have fronted (perhaps even raised to [æ]) and then
perhaps got pushed out by new, central /a/ of various origins. Cf.
varieties of English for which '/a/' is untenable as a description of
the vowel of <bad>.
Richard, speaking of short vowels only, I wonder if you agree with Miguel
and myself in believing that
late pre-PIE *CYV, *CV, *CWV
which subsequently became
PIE *CA (where *A is the Ablautvokal: *e / *o / *° / *Ø)