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  • fournet.arnaud
    ... From: fournet.arnaud To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:06 AM Subject: Re: Re: [tied]
    Message 1 of 3 , Feb 26 5:22 AM
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      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
      To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:06 AM
      Subject: Re: Re: [tied] Burushaski


      >
      > This focuses on the dif., more on Br. alone (including some slightly
      > treated below) later.
      >
      > see http://starling.rinet.ru/ for more
      >
      > Burushaski (Yas, H, N dia.) is closest to Yenisseian (Ke, Ko, Ar, P dia.),
      > but they had
      > differences from long ago, with Yen. sharing some features with Dardic
      > like Khowar.
      > Stl
      > =======================
      >
      Here are a couple of words
      from Starostin

      > Arnaud
      > =============
      PY *-G- = PIE *p



      The pseudo-laryngeal -G- of Starostin is *p.



      PY *p = PIE *bh



      1. *pä?j "kedr" = "cedar"

      i.e 146 *bhuH-

      Germanic *baum "tree"

      H is H2.1 *?



      2. *pugəm "mjagkij" = "soft, pliable"

      i.e 152 *bheug

      Irish bog = soft



      3. *pu "serdtse" = "heart, inside"

      i.e 98 *beu > derivatives belly, trunk etc

      German Bauch



      4. *pitəm "nizkij" = "low"

      i.e 174 bhudh "bottom"



      5. *penəng "pesok" = "sand"

      i.e 145 bhes

      Greek psammos



      6. *kuləp "gornostaj" = "ermin"

      Siberian word.

      Cf. UEW p.116

      Finnish kärppä



      7. *jə:pe "list" = "leaf"

      i.e 690 *leu-p

      Germanic *laub "leaf"



      PY *b = PIE *b or *w



      8. *bej "veter" = "wind"

      i.e 81 weH1

      NB : H1 > PY *j



      9. *bes "vetcher" = "evening"

      i.e 1173 wes(-per)



      10. *?ob "otets" = "father"

      i.e 89 awo

      Semitic ?ab "father"



      11. *borba "grib" = "fungus"



      12. *xob "spina" = "back"

      i.e 931 skep

      Latin scapula



      PY *m = PIE *m



      13. *?ama "matj" = "mother"

      i.e 700 maH-t



      14. *?im "oreh" = "nut"



      15. *tchem "gusj" = "goose"





      PY *w = PIE *H2+w or *H2+p or H2+b



      16. *we "ne" = "not"

      Latin haud

      Arabic ?ab "to deny"



      17. *wə "delatj" = "to do"

      i.e 780 op

      Latin opus



      18. *wiR "pronominal stem" = "where, how"

      i.e 73 aw



      19. *tu?w "glina" = "clay"

      Unclear

      Cf. i.e 244 dheigh



      20. *xowe "rot" = "mouth"

      i.e 449 ghew



      21. *?aw/?u "ty" = "thou"



      22. *xi?w "berësta" = "birch-bark"

      i.e 951 s-keu(H)

      Latin cu:tis



      PY *t = PIE *Tl > l or *Dl > r



      23. *tuxən "grebenj" = "comb"



      24. *täk "belyj" = "white"

      i.e 687 leuk < *Tlewk



      25. *tix "lodka"= "boat"



      26. *?e?te "zhyvoj"= "alive"

      Unclear.

      Cf. i.e 17 ayw

      Cf. i.e 336 er "to move"



      27. *tat "prjamoj"= "straight"

      Unclear.

      Cf. i.e 854 reg-t



      PY *d = PIE *dh



      28. *des "glaz" = "eye"

      i.e dhay < *t?-&_y "to see"



      29. *dinje "ëlj" = "fir-tree"

      Cf. Germanic *danw



      30. *du?x "dym" = "smoke"

      i.e 261 dheu



      31. *kerəd "gorlo" = "throat"

      i.e 474 gwer



      32. *gi?d "zhyr" = "grease"

      Unclear

      i.e 485 gwres



      33. *xogd "ocenj" = "autumn"



      34. *gu?da "pojasok" = "belt, waist-band"



      PY *n = PIE *n



      35. *?i?n "igla" = "needle"

      i.e 973 *s-neH

      English needle



      36. *ti?n "kotelj" = "boiler"



      37. *?o?n "semj" = "seven"



      PY *r = PIE *r



      38. *sur "krovj" = "blood"

      i.e 621 *kreu



      39. *(?as-)pər "oblako" = "cloud"



      40. *xur "dozhdj" = "rain"

      i.e 597 keHwero

      Cf. shower < *sku:ra



      41. *tingər "vysokij" = "haut"

      i.e 196 *d_longh



      42. *?aru "hitryj" = "cunning, crafty"

      i.e 55 *H2ar



      43. *qəqər "zhëltch, gorkij" = "bile ; acid"

      Cf. Latin bi:l- < *gwi(s)l



      44. *pu?r "jasnyj" = "fine (weather)"



      45. *xura "vlazhnyj" = "damp"

      Cf. n° 40



      46. *täxər "vydra" = "otter"

      Unclear relationship with *H2ud-ra "otter"



      47. *xi?r "ljagushka" = "frog"



      PY *l = PIE *l



      48. *tulaq "gnilushka" = "rotten wood"



      49. *talqən "muka" = "torment"



      50. *so?ol "narta" = "sledge"

      i.e 901 sel-k



      51. *bul "noga" = "leg, foot"

      Unclear relationship with *ped "foot"



      52. *?olk "noc" = "nose"

      i.e 755 HneH-s

      Cf. Sanscrit nakka



      53. *bulər "tchulok" = "stockings"

      Cf. n° 51



      54. *xol "schëka" = "cheek"

      i.e 449 gheuH

      Cf. n° 31 et 20



      55. *xolab "storona, polovina" = "side, half"

      i.e 923 skel-p

      Cf. Germanic *half



      PY *ts = PIE *k



      56. *tse:se "valenok" = "boot(s)"

      Cf. Germanic s-ko:h- "shoe"



      57. *tsenge "volosy" = "(head) hair"

      Cf. Germanic he:r > *kaH2-



      58. *tsə(n)t "muzh" = "man"

      Data is a bit obscure.

      i.e 577 kor



      59. *tsi?G "golova" = "head"

      Better *ki?p-

      i.e 529 kap-ut



      60. *tsi:k "ryba" = "fish"

      Possibly i.e 416 ghdhuH



      61. *?ä?k "skoro" = "quick, fast"



      PY *zh = PIE *g



      62. *zhəl "rebënok" = "child"

      Cf. Germanic *kil-



      63. *xä?zh "verhnjaja odezhda" = "(over)coat ; outdoor clothes"

      Cf. Germanic *kotta-



      64. *?azh "ja" = "me"

      i.e 291 eg-ô



      65. *?ulazh "rebro" = "rib"



      PY *R = PIE *r



      Starostin writes R as r1.



      66. *kaRe "vojna" = "war"

      Cf. Germanic *hil-d "war"



      67. *saGaR "notchevatj" = "to stay the night"

      Better *saP < *swep "sleep"



      68. *piR "sladkij" = "sweet"



      69. *xuR "voda" = "water"

      i.e 9 Hwer



      PY *s = PIE *s or *k



      70. *sa?q "belka" = "squirrel"

      Latin squi-rulus



      71. *siGa "god" = "year"

      Better *siP or *kiP



      72. *se?s "listvennitsa" = "larch"



      73. *ses "retchka" = "small river"

      Unclear relationship with i.e 893 seik(w)
    • fournet.arnaud
      ... From: fournet.arnaud To: There is some sensational link between Yenissei and some North American
      Message 2 of 3 , Mar 4, 2008
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        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
        To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>


        There is some sensational link
        between Yenissei and some North American
        languages, Tlingit and Athabask.

        http://www.uaf.edu/anlc/dy2008.html

        I'm not really disturbed
        by the connection of Tlingit with Yenissei
        (these two being candidates for PIE)
        but the connection with Athabask
        is really news...

        I'm fairly sceptical
        but it seems to be happily endorsed
        by the best possible authorities.
        So
        Wait and see

        Quite strangely they failed to add
        Salish !?

        Arnaud

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      • Rick McCallister
        What do you mean news? The Dené-Caucasian people have been out there for years. Salish, of course, is usually either seen as an isolate or somehow related to
        Message 3 of 3 , Mar 4, 2008
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          What do you mean news?
          The Dené-Caucasian people have been out there for
          years.
          Salish, of course, is usually either seen as an
          isolate or somehow related to various non-Na-Dené
          languages, therefore, it's not related to Tlingit by
          anyone I've ever come across.
          Tlingit, Haida and Eyak are usually linked to Na-Dené
          although some claim Haida and Tlingit as isolates


          --- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
          wrote:

          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
          > To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
          >
          >
          > There is some sensational link
          > between Yenissei and some North American
          > languages, Tlingit and Athabask.
          >
          > http://www.uaf.edu/anlc/dy2008.html
          >
          > I'm not really disturbed
          > by the connection of Tlingit with Yenissei
          > (these two being candidates for PIE)
          > but the connection with Athabask
          > is really news...
          >
          > I'm fairly sceptical
          > but it seems to be happily endorsed
          > by the best possible authorities.
          > So
          > Wait and see
          >
          > Quite strangely they failed to add
          > Salish !?
          >
          > Arnaud
          >
          > =====================
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >



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