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  • fournet.arnaud
    Two other words that have -i- and -u- as vowels are : *dheigh make walls with mud This word exists also in Sino-Tibetan Chinese is di4
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      Two other words that have -i- and -u- as vowels are :
       
      *dheigh "make walls with mud"
      This word exists also in Sino-Tibetan
      Chinese is di4 < tik
      And Tibetan is something like rdig
      (I haven't been able to find the right form again)
      These ST words are not supposed to be loanwords.
       
      tluk- "first day of moon"
      IE luk-sna
      Chinese shu4 < shuk "first day of moon"
      Japanese tsuki "moon" in general
      Cf.
      *yid "full moon".
       
      Apart from tread = trudan
      you also have knead = knud
       
       
       
       
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:28 PM
      Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

      I will get back to what really matters : DATA.
       
      My point of view : I have already made clear.
       
      Point 1 :
      PIE inherited a set of four vowels :
      *i *u *a (written as <e> by tradition) *o
       
      Point 2 :
      Innovative morphological processes within PIE
      have lead to a situation where :
      1. vowel *i and consonant *y
      2. vowel *u and consonant *w
      about function in the same way.
       
      (And this applies to many Chamito-Semitic languages as well)
      ============
      Point 1 is demonstrated by :
       
      A : root y_d "full" moon
      Basque (h)il
      Latin i:d-u:s
      Egyptian yid-aH
       
      Basque never treats *i as -y-.
      A clear case of vowel *i.
       
      B : root n_y_l "night"
      Sanscrit ni:ra
      Arabic layla.
       
      In Arabic, Point 2 also applies
      but Sanscrit has no historical process
      that could explain why a short *i could become long i:
      So we are sure that in this root we are dealing with *-y- not *i
       
      A case of vowel *i, unexplainable otherwise.
       
      the rare scheme *i_a is an archaic variant of *o_a,
      exceedingly rare in PIE but frequent in Chamito-Semitic.
       
      C
      a lot of Greek lexemata :
      i-kn-u / i-gn-u / i-skh-nos / i-khthu:s / etc
      ===
      All these data have *i and *u as vowels not consonants.
       
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      Next :
       
      Gotic has the word
      tr-u-dan : to tread (Streitberg 1920 : page 302 "treten)
       
      How do you account for the fact that this Gotic word
      OBVIOUSLY is from root *tr_d, with -u- as vowel.
       
      Streitberg calls this : "unreg. Ablaut"
      This is a hole in the orthodox theory of PIE apophony.
       
      Neither Gotic nor Greek abide by the orthodox theory.
       
      =================
       
      Somebody previously wrote : "we know who is who around here".
       
      I am confident that in a very near future,
      people will be able to tell who actually
       
      "knows nothing and only writes for an excuse to insult with his very dull wit."
       
      I am not afraid about the ultimate judgment that will come from this polemic,
      So far, I have provided many examples, in favor of my point of view,
      I am confident that in the end, people will judge facts and data.
       
      My point of view is clear
      and so are my examples.
       
      I have already won the fight, and you have lost,
       
      The End.
      =======================
       
       
       
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 3:32 AM
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      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 3:49 PM
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      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:30 PM
      Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

      ***
       
      What has been "killed" is the expectation that Arnaud has any understanding of the meaning of 'verbal'.
       
      ============ =======
      A.F
       
      Most roots cannot be separated as verbal or nominal.
       
      ***
       
      A statement that is ignorance personified.
       
      In any case, it is certainly not true of PIE,
       
      PCR
      ***
      What is more : in most cases,
      it is the vocalic scheme that gives the final grammatical status to
      the compound : Consonant root + Vocalic scheme.
       
      It is true with PIE :
      dh_H1 + vowel /e/ = a verb
      dh_H1 + vowel /o/ = a noun.
       
      ***
       
      The PIE root has the form  *CAC where *A has the form *e, *o, *ø, or *R if the final *C is a resonant. The choice is based on stress-accentual considerations not grammatical ones.                    
       
      PR
      ***                                                                                                                                                                                                                    88
       
      It is true also in Chinese :
      n_p + vowel /a/ = verb "to enter"
      n_p + vowel /o/ = noun "inside, interior"
       
      This is basically a proto-World phenomenon.
      There are hundreds of cases of roots grammatically undetermined.
       
       ***
      Again, pure nonsense. Even Afroasian, a closely connected language to PIE, has anything like *A.
       
      I am beginning to suspect that Arnaud knows he knows nothing and only writes for an excuse to insult with his very dull wit.
       
      Patrick Ryan
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      <snip>
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