Fwd: ancient kingdoms
- --- In email@example.com, "kishore mohan"
I am placing here an interesting discussion that took place in the
group 'vedic mythology'
Pradeep: Current tibet was known as devabhoomi in most ancient vedic
literature. It's name in sanskrit is Trivishtapam.
kishore: YES, THIS IS SO, COZ THE TIBETANS DO NOT SEEM TO GET AGED..
ALWAYS LOOK 30!
venkat sastry: Can anyone write about the vedic names of what are now
countries? For example, I know that Gandhara desh is now
Afganisthan, and in fact the present "Kandhar" is a derivation of
the same word. Yavan is Greece. What else?
The present day "Iran" is a derivation of the word "Aryan", and so
is, I believe Iraq.
There is a long list of countries in the Mahabharat. Most of them
were seperate kingdoms in the present day India, Pakistan, Sri
Lanka, Bangladesh and Afghanistan, but there were others mentioned
too, that are outside of this ancient Bhaarat Desh. I would highly
appreciate it if someone pointed me to more information in this
kishore: ref satyagrahi sri ram, which gives a map of the india as
ramayan... also, books like the encyclopaedia of brahmin kingdoms
(telugu) give the list of kingdoms....
please wait a couple of days i will give a very long list...
btw, iran was never mentioned in ancient scripts as iran.. it was
PradeeP: So do you think kaikeyi in ramayana is from Iran?
Venkat sastry: Pradeep,
Yes, Kaikeyi is from kekeya, which is Persia / Iran now. Similarly,
Gandhari is from Gandhara, the present day Afghanisthan. In those
days, these were all Vedic kingdoms. These people's names may or may
not be their real names - on the one hand, there is the tradition of
naming a person after place of birth, but there is also
the "honarary" names based on place of birth, which are different
from the real name. Even the name Kaushalya literally means the one
from Kosala, which is Dasaratha's kingdom. Similarly names based on
parents etc, such as Pritha being called Kunti, since she was
adopted by Kuntibhoja Maharaj, or Rama being called Dasarathi, since
he was Dasaratha's son, or Arjuna being called Kaunteya since he was
Kunti's son. This is beautiful, since it shows the connections to
the parents and birthplaces, but can be a little different from what
we are used to in the modern day.
Kishore, could you please post the list of ancient kingdoms when you
have the time?
Pradeep: If you refer the ashvemedha parva, there will be a list of
name to which the horse was send,or any of the parvas describing
the situation before the war begins (they describe the kingdoms
fighting for each side.). I do not have my book library with me, so
does not have the texts for easy reference.
Kishore: Wonderful reply, venkat ...
u r right, gandhari hails from gAndhAra or today's afganistan and
kaikeyi from today's iran.. it is not coincidence that the meaning of
both the words ' afganistan' and 'iran' is one and the same- the land
some more names are VAsudEva(son of vasudEva), GAngEya(son of
Saindhava (Jayadhradha is his real name) hails from Sindhu...
Panchali or Draupadi is so called since she is the daughter of
Panchala (Punjab) or King Drupada (her real name is Krishna , since
she is dark in colour)
Similiarly, sita was called Vaidehi or Maithili (from the names of
her kingdom/capital). She was also called JAnaki , since her father
Kausalya is really from Kosala and Kosala is supposed to be the
kingdom given to King Dasharath in dowry, which enabled him to expand
How ever, I don;t know whether Sumitra is the princess of Sumatra
islands...though my fair guess is she is!
NOt only this, the followers also can be designated by this method..
the followers of Krishna were called VAsudEvakAs in the medieval
Those who were following Manu were called MAnavAs..(ref Artha Sastra
Right now, i do not have satyagrahi ram with me ... i hv certain
other lists also with me .. i want club all of them togetgher and
post, more over, the book also has a map of these kingdoms... i will
post a picture of that as a web page..
do u know that the tamil kingdoms of chera, pandyan and chola existed
at the time of Rama?
If Rama's Itinerary (The literal meaning of Ramayan) is really to
conquer the South India, as professed by some westeners, the million
dollar question is why is that he did not start invading these
kingdoms? Certainly, they could not have been stronger than Ravana...
I think this questions attires importance in view of the so called
Aryan- Dravidian division.
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