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  • astolbov@mail.ru
    I m very interested in up-to-date view on Nostratic stem *kor i- (a sheep, a lamb). This stem was given by Illich-Svitych in his Nostratic Glossary as #173. Do
    Message 1 of 4 , Sep 1, 1999
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      I'm very interested in up-to-date view on Nostratic stem *kor'i- (a
      sheep, a lamb). This stem was given by Illich-Svitych in his Nostratic
      Glossary as #173. Do you know other Nostratic stems concerning
      agricultural terms (a goat, corn, weat, barley, to sow) or something
      like this?
    • Cyril Babaev
      ... All I can remember is the following stems which are either Nostratic or just borrowed by Indo-European from other families (Semitic, Caucasian, etc.) - the
      Message 2 of 4 , Sep 4, 1999
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        > I'm very interested in up-to-date view on Nostratic stem *kor'i- (a
        > sheep, a lamb). This stem was given by Illich-Svitych in his Nostratic
        > Glossary as #173. Do you know other Nostratic stems concerning
        > agricultural terms (a goat, corn, weat, barley, to sow) or something
        > like this?

        All I can remember is the following stems which are either Nostratic or just borrowed by Indo-European from other families (Semitic, Caucasian, etc.) - the matter is still under discussion:

        *ag'r- a field
        *Hat- grain (IE, Hurrian, Hurritic)
        *gu-, *gw- a bull
        *dq- a goat (IE and Cartvelian)
        *sw- swine
        *dhn- grain, a sort of grain (IE and Semitic)
        *tawr- a bull


        CYRIL BABAEV
      • gpiotr@ifa.amu.edu.pl
        gpiot-@ifa.amu.edu.pl wrote: original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/cybalist/?start=4 ... Nostratic ... or just borrowed by Indo-European from other
        Message 3 of 4 , Sep 6, 1999
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          gpiot-@... wrote:
          original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/cybalist/?start=4
          >
          > -----Original Message-----
          >
          > > I'm very interested in up-to-date view on Nostratic stem *kor'i- (a
          > > sheep, a lamb). This stem was given by Illich-Svitych in his
          Nostratic
          > > Glossary as #173. Do you know other Nostratic stems concerning
          > > agricultural terms (a goat, corn, weat, barley, to sow) or something
          > > like this?
          >
          > All I can remember is the following stems which are either Nostratic
          or just borrowed by Indo-European from other families (Semitic,
          Caucasian, etc.) - the matter is still under discussion:
          >
          > *ag'r- a field
          > *Hat- grain (IE, Hurrian, Hurritic)
          > *gu-, *gw- a bull
          > *dq- a goat (IE and Cartvelian)
          > *sw- swine
          > *dhn- grain, a sort of grain (IE and Semitic)
          > *tawr- a bull
          >
          >
          > CYRIL BABAEV

          I don't know any Nostratic stems at all, or rather, I don't believe the
          "Nostraticity" of any single stem has been demonstrated beyond
          reasonable doubt. All I can say is that Indo-European languages do not
          show traces of anything like *kor'i for ovines. I plead lack of
          competence as regards other families. By the way, Aharon Dolgopolsky
          has been elaborating on Illich-Svitych's ideas for so long that now he
          should be regarded as chief spokesman for the Nostratic cause. The
          recently published collection "Nostratic: Examining a Linguistic
          Macrofamily" (ed. by C. Renfrew & D. Nettle, Cambridge: McDonald
          Institute, 1999) focusses on Dolgopolsky's preliminary collection of
          alleged Nostratic etyma. The book contains a lot of sharp, and I'm
          afraid completely justified, criticism of the whole enterprise by
          eminent specialists, not all of them a priori unsympathetic to
          Nostratic ideas.

          PIOTR GASIOROWSKI
        • tommy.tyrberg@norrkoping.mail.telia.com
          tommy.tyrber-@norrkoping.mail.telia.com wrote: original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/cybalist/?start=2 ... According to Dolgopolsky (Aharon
          Message 4 of 4 , Sep 8, 1999
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            tommy.tyrber-@... wrote:
            original article:http://www.egroups.com/group/cybalist/?start=2
            > I'm very interested in up-to-date view on Nostratic stem *kor'i- (a
            > sheep, a lamb). This stem was given by Illich-Svitych in his Nostratic
            > Glossary as #173. Do you know other Nostratic stems concerning
            > agricultural terms (a goat, corn, weat, barley, to sow) or something
            > like this?
            >
            According to Dolgopolsky (Aharon Dolgopolsky: The Nostratic Macrofamily
            and Linguistic Palaeontology, Cambridge 1998) Proto-Nostratic contains
            a number of terms relating to gathering of cereals, and of course
            animals, but no terms that definitely indicate agriculture. A few of
            these (only approximate since I can´t reproduce Dolgopolsky´s very
            complex consonant notation:

            qaRpV- 'to gather, harvest' (=IE xarp-)
            zükV- 'edible cereal' (not in IE)
            galV- 'cereals' (=IE xelk-)
            XäntV- 'kernel, grain' (=IE (x)et(e)n-)
            gawV- '(wild) sheep/goat' (=IE xowi-)
            diga- 'goat' (=IE digh-)
            bukEgh- 'ram, billygoat' (=IE bhugho-) (=buck)
            gadi- 'kid' (=IE ghaido-) (=goat)

            None of these however indicates agriculture, and Dolgopolsky thinks
            that Proto-nostratic probably reflects a late paleolithic culture,
            which seems reasonable given the time-depth of Proto-nostratic (if it
            really existed)

            Tommy Tyrberg
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