- about the following:
Romanian folkore makes reference to a couple of fabulous beings
having some "vampire" attributes. There is "vârcolac" (the closest
equivalent of `vampire`) -- an undetermined being "eating" the Sun
or the Moon during eclipses but also a non-dead blood-sucking guy;
obviously, the etymon is Slavic (Bulgarian "vãrkolak"). There are
also other kinds of non-dead guys (merely kinds of ghosts) from
which the most vampire-like word could be "strigoi" (still Slavic).
>> "Nosferatu" is Bram Stoker's invention, perhaps a garbledFor `the Devil`, Daco-Romanian uses "Necuratul" (or, sometimes,
>> version of a genuine Romanian word (e.g. <nesuferitul> 'the
>> unbearable'?). Again, our Romanian friends are better qualified
>> to judge.
> I don't know. <nesuferitul> might be too... weak
> for such a terrible character.
"Nefârtatul", literally meaning `the one who's not in brotherhood
[with humans]`). A derivation from the latter one seems unlikely
as phonetics come into play; "Nesuferitul" is slightly better from
this point of view (still /i/ > /a/ would be rather strange), but
doesn't qualify because it's not used to design evil beings.
I would pick something not too far from Ned's etymology proposal,
even if the final /u/ in "Nosferatu" sounds somehow Romanian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Nesuferitul", same as "Nesuferitu" means "the Unbearabal one/the
Unsufferable" in romanian, "a suferi" means "to suffer/to be
"Necuratu" is "Ne-curat" meaning "the Devil himself", "curat"
meaning "clean". "curat-ul" = "the clean one"and "curatu" are the
same, "Necuratul" would be the literary form of the popular
"Varcolac" : "Varc"+"colac", could be the slavo-
germanic "Valc/Wulf"(in romanian "lup") + "colac" wich means "coil"
=> "CoiledWolf". "Lup colac" would be "a coiled wolf", the "coil
position" is used in romanian for wolves and dogs, when they are on
the ground, sleeping or saving wormth, or when they are watching the
pray from unseen position, when they are stalking the victim, and
also for the snakes when they strangle/suffocate pray,
"colac" could also be un old word for "ghoul", iving the fact that
gauls were the enemies of dacians, but i don't have proofs yet
"strigoi", i would relate it with the verb "a striga", in romanian,
meaning "to shout/to scream",
other undead beeing is "moroi", i would relate it with the
word "mort"="dead" and "omorit"="killed", from "a muri"="to die",
and "a omori"="to kill"
- At the back of my mind is a proposition that about 30 people a month
were turned off (as it was then often expressed) at Tyburn every
month, which would be about 16,000 people in all over the whole reign
of Elizabeth of England. That represents the judicial killings
within the City and Middlesex, which may have represented no more
than 10% of the population of England (and Wales) and maybe less. If
it were an entirely representative (as well as accurate) number, it
suggests that upwards of half a million people were hanged, burned or
had their heads chopped off in England between 1558 and 1603. And
that's before Jamie Saxt (who had a thing about witches in East
Lothian and then everywhere) skedaddled down to London (and
apparently showed signed of wishing to have people dispatched before
trial in the course of that journey). Then of course, there was the
problem after 1571 of 'regnans in excelsis' which rather got in the
way of Elizabeth's reported desire not to make windows into men's
At 9:12 am +0100 13/09/2003, P&G wrote:
> >What is your evidence for the 32,000? I'm exceedingly skeptical,
>I saw it on TV - (so it must be true!) I agree, the figure startled me too,
>especially as Elizabeth was building a reputation for tolerance. But there
>are some remarkable stories of torture and death of Catholics during her