the slavic influence in Balcans
- From Micklosich untill today, it is genarally assumed the south slavs
influenced a lot the populations in Balcans.
It seems this point of view is properly wrong and I should try to
The influence of the slavs is supposed to be very big on romanians
The problem is, the romanians and albanians words considered to be
slavs show a fonological pattern of medio-bulgarian and not a pattern
of the paleoslav language.But we can speak about medio-bulgarian just
with the begin of the X century.
A such big influence of medio-bulgars into romanian and albanian in
the X century is practicaly imposible. It should be possible just if
a very big number of medio-bulgars could live with the romanians and
albanians and so a such influence could validate the influence of the
medio-bulgarians over all romanians and albanians dialects .But, how
I said, in the X century this is impossible to be true and the
archeologiy ( at the time as Miklosich wrote the archeology was as
well as non existent) shows a very few slavs traces in the
theritories of old Dacia.
The slavists ommited to see that the words which are to be found in
bulgarian, albanian and rumanian have a similar pattern in albanian
and rumanian but a particulary slav pattern in bulgarian. The best
example here is the methathesis of the liquids "r" and "l" like in
bulgarian blato rom=balta:, alb=balte:, bulg. dlato rom dalta:, alb.
dalte:, where a: in rom. and e: in alb. have the same value. An
another argumentum is that the most of these so called slav words are
not to find in all slavs langauges, but in the south slavic
languages, languages which lived with the ancestors of albanians and
In this case the only one possiblity is that they are not properly
slavs words and there is not the "big slav influence" but, we have a
big thraco-illirian influence on the south slavs, untill now, having
a big mistake about the influence of the slavic language and in the
same time a deconsideration of the old thracian- illirians dialects.
- --- In cybalist@y..., "richardwordingham" <richard.wordingham@m...>
> Languages also undergo sporadic sound changes. For example, thethe
> change of intervocalic dH to Latin b referred to above, in detail
> process dH > *θ > *ð > *v > b (or dH > *θ > *f > *v > b -is ther=
> any evidence to tell between them?), where *v is NOT the sound
> written <v> in Latin, did not always occur. There are instance
> the change went dH > *θ > *ð > d, i.e. the change from dentalBy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/14530 the Latin
> fricative to labial fricative was not universal intervocally.
change *ð > *v (v = fricative that became b) was not sporadic but