Turk. qaghan (was Re: [tied] god)
- I once read somewhere that the Turkish words for rulers
'qaghan' and 'qatun' were from this same *sva- by way
of Iranian *xva-. Does anybody know if this is true?
--- In cybalist@y..., Piotr Gasiorowski <piotr.gasiorowski@i...>
> Pavel has already explained that. An Old Indo-Aryan cognate
> is <sva-tavas-> 'powerful' (lit. 'self-strong').
- --- In cybalist@y..., Piotr Gasiorowski <piotr.gasiorowski@i...>
> You're right of course, Peter, but we discussed the <il.-> root onthe list some time ago, also in response to Dr Kalyanaraman's query,
so I just wonder why he should ask twice only to get the same
answers. It's far less trouble to check the archives.
>Alas, he would have had to search his own memory, unless you know a
good way to search the archives. I searched for 'il.-' and only
found 'NACHRICHTEN DER AKADEMIE DER WISSENSCHAFTEN IN
GOETTINGEN. Phil.-hist. Klasse'. My search for 'allah' (lowercase
because few subscribers enjoy the luxury of an English spell-checker)
yielded many instances of Allahabad and Sammallahti. The only
reference to 'Allah' I found was in a discussion of creation myths.
I searched via the 'search' button while reading the list archive.
If anyone knows a better way, please advise! I myself have already
asked about labiovelars because I did not find an earlier discussion
which had addressed their articulatory realisation.
- Dear Danny,In Avestan and OPers. the chief word for 'god' is baga-, from the OIndian root bhag- 'to divide, separate'. Thus, the god is one who gives baxta-, i.e. 'fortune'. Thiss word might have circulated amoung the Scythians as well. Russian bog 'god' is an Iranian, resp. Scytho-sarmatian loan.The other word for 'god' was yazata-, it is the one worthy of homage (root yaz- 'to pay homage')IE *deiuos, Ind. Deva- doesn't work within Iranians.It's ancestor, OIr. daiva-, New Pers. Dew/Diw is an evil creature, a kind of devil, their leader is Anghra-mainyu, the one opposing Ahura Mazda, a positive highest god.Regards, PL.----- Original Message -----From: Danny WierSent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 5:41 AMSubject: Re: [tied] godIt's related to Modern Persian |xodâ|, which is found in Urdu as |xudâ|. I don't think it's cognate with the Germanic word. (Both Persian |xodâ| and the Arabic loan |?allâh| are used interchangeably, with the latter being a more "sacred" usage than the former.)What's the Old Persian/Avestan word, by the way?~Danny~While on the Subject, can someone explain 'Ghuda' as a Word for God in Punjabi?Carl
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- --- In cybalist@y..., "Danny Wier" <dawier@h...> wrote:
> According to the American Heritage Dictionary (online):English "god" and German "Gott" came from IE *gheu(@)-, "to call,
invoke", suffixed zero-grade form *ghu-to-, "the invoked (one)".
Pokorny's root is *g^hau- (#413). ~DaW~
Thanks a lot, Danny. God has complex roots in the mists of language!
Could the IE *gheu- be cognate with Vedic.
hve- (a phoneme which occurs in a score of Sanskrit lexemes, e.g.
hava_mahe, juhve...)> hve = to call , call upon , summon ,
challenge , invoke (R.gveda).
In Tamil, the root is iku- as in: iku-ttal = to call, invite.
- AFAIK, "bog" occurs in all Slavic languages-including of course Old Church Slavonic-not just in Russian. So it would be a safe assumption that Common Slavic borrowed it from Iranian. Just a minor correction.Regards,Cristian