70983Re: [tied] Greek hippos < ek^wos... or not?
- Feb 25, 2013Is there another example where kWw->-pw- > -pp-?
De: Tavi <oalexandre@...>
Enviadas: Domingo, 24 de Fevereiro de 2013 19:39
Assunto: Re: [tied] Greek hippos < ek^wos... or not?
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Joao S. Lopes" wrote:
> Is it sure to consider Greek hippos < *ek^wos, despite its clear irregular
> shift? Would we expect *epos, instead of hippos? Does hippos come from
> another IE language, or has it no relation to PIE root. Coincidence or not,
> the builder of Trojan Horse was called Epeios, is it a clue for an obsolete
> *epos in older Greek?
> > You seemingly don't mention a third possibility: that hippos comes
> > from another PIE root
That is, in the ortodox PIE model any item which doesn't fit into regular sound correspondences is put under a different "root". In my view, the ortodox model is inconsistent and divergent sound correspondences like in this case mean divergent word paths.
> You're right, I forgot to mention it: hippos < *sikWkWo-? *yikWkWo- ? The cluster -pp- is very uncommon in Greek. As a variant of -kk-, we can compare it to lakkos < *lak-wo-s.
Actually, Gamkrelidze-Ivanov mentioned a possible protoform *s´ik´wo-, where *s´ is their own "compact sibilant" (a rough counterpart of my own sound law regarding post-velar fricatives), giving *s- > h- in Greek and zero elsewhere, but I find little support for it.
In my opinion, Greek -pp- doesn't come from *-kWkW- (which I find rather absurd) but from *-kWw- resulting from regressive assimilation of *-k´w-. Hence *-kWw- > *-pw- > -pp- by reduction and progressive assimilation (possibly these two changes were synchronic) as in *-k´w- > -kk-.
Besides -k´w-, in my opinion other combinations of velar+w produced weird results in some IE languages, especially Celtic and Latin.
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