70965Re: Raven words
- Feb 21, 2013--- In email@example.com, johnvertical@... wrote:
>That seems to work better with a rec. in which D is some kind of l or l' (alt. like:
> Background: I've been exploring some evidence for a possible unknown Uralic substrate in Finnic. One feature of this hypothetical substrate would be *w > pp after a liquid, e.g. _kärppä_ "stoat" vs. PU *käDwä "weasel".
kumuri = small cloud Fn; kovol = cloud Mv; homály = darkness Hng;
The ev. here:
*kaDwa "female (of small fur animals)"
Saam (Lapp): gaDfe (N) 'mustela erminea femina'
Mari (Cheremis): kol'á 'mouse'
Khanty (Ostyak): köjëN
Mansi (Vogul): kal'
Hungarian: hölgy 'Dame; (altung.) Braut, Liebste; Hermelin'
seems to req. * kwalyaNxwa \ kwadyäxwa \ etc., if both rel. would make * kwaryamFwa \ kwaryäppwa "stoat" (with Kw \ Pw alt.), with no specific support on whether all the alt. was in PU or its daughters.
If < substrate, which I doubt, the pos. seem to be:
harmo = ermine OHG; carmun = weasel Rh-Ro; s^armuõ Lith
rel. to other words for 'grey', some with -w- not -m-, but meaning the same, etc.
If n > l , maybe:
kounábi G; kunadhe = marten Al;
rel. to (probl. borrowed):
If original -l- , maybe:
galée: = weasel G;
which COULD be < * gal-xY-wá:x or sim
rel. to (probl.):
gli:s = dormouse L; girí- = mouse S;
However, other words like:
* karma \ karpa \ karwa = fly
* kurma \ kurpa \ kurwa = snipe
make 1 substrate being the source of all this, which I doubt, less pos.
All seem to come from the same rec. (of phon. not sem.):
* kwalyaNxwa \ kuwalyämkwa \ etc.
which makes most sense if many older C all fell together (q > k , etc.).
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