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  • David Ring
    Hello Earl, When coming across American Morse on the ham bands, the usual first thought is that this must be some foreign language. If your listening at the
    Message 1 of 7 , Nov 8, 2007
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      Hello Earl,

      When coming across American Morse on the ham bands, the usual first thought is that this must be some foreign language.

      If your listening at the right time and several words go by that are identical in American Morse and International Morse - "send messages" would be one such sequence, then the operator continued, and you started getting something like "tee cim" - you might conclude that the operator just couldn't send.

      There are two excellent programs use to learn American Morse.

      The Instructograph http://www.trwagner.org/Instructograph/default.htm
      The MILL http://home.comcast.net/~w4fok/

      The MILL works with the same serial connection as the Internet CW program CWcom
      http://www.mrx.com.au/d_cwcom.htm so you often will hear American Morse there.

      MILL is a GW Basic program compiled under DOS program - it has problems working with Windows XP, but it works wonderfully with DOS Box under Linux or Windows XP.  The advantage is that the PC Speaker output has been mapped to the regular sound card with DOS Box.  

      The MILL run under DOS Box will run on Macintosh, Linux, Windows, OS/2, BeOS and even more OS - see http://www.dosbox.sourceforge.net/

      However many of the Amercican Morse users have migrated to Les Kerr's KOB program
      http://home.earthlink.net/~n7rz/morse/

      The MILL should win some sort of prize for fitting all those featuires he got in there - stellar screen saver, ship light signaling, etc.  It is a real gem of a program.

      73

      DR

      David Ring, N1EA

    • Earl Needham
      ... Well, David, that isn t exactly what I meant -- I really meant lengthening certain dashes to imitate the sound of the older ops who learned American Morse
      Message 2 of 7 , Nov 8, 2007
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        At 10:25 11/8/2007, David Ring wrote:

        >Hello Earl,
        >
        >When coming across American Morse on the ham bands, the usual first
        >thought is that this must be some foreign language.
        >
        >If your listening at the right time and several words go by that are
        >identical in American Morse and International Morse - "send
        >messages" would be one such sequence, then the operator continued,
        >and you started getting something like "tee cim" - you might
        >conclude that the operator just couldn't send.
        >
        >There are two excellent programs use to learn American Morse.

        Well, David, that isn't exactly what I meant -- I really
        meant lengthening certain dashes to imitate the sound of the older
        ops who learned American Morse first -- but still sending Continental code.

        7 3
        Earl

        KD5XB -- Earl Needham
        Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs
        Quoting from the Coast Guard: ZUT
      • John, N5DWI
        ... program CWcom ... Morse there. ... problems working with Windows XP, but it works wonderfully with DOS Box under Linux or Windows XP. The advantage is
        Message 3 of 7 , Nov 8, 2007
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          David Ring wrote:
          >
          > [...]
          >
          > The Instructograph http://www.trwagner.org/Instructograph/default.htm
          > The MILL http://home.comcast.net/~w4fok/
          >
          > The MILL works with the same serial connection as the Internet CW
          program CWcom
          > http://www.mrx.com.au/d_cwcom.htm so you often will hear American
          Morse there.
          >
          > MILL is a GW Basic program compiled under DOS program - it has
          problems working with Windows XP, but it works wonderfully with DOS Box
          under Linux or Windows XP. The advantage is that the PC Speaker output
          has been mapped to the regular sound card with DOS Box.
          >
          > The MILL run under DOS Box will run on Macintosh, Linux, Windows,
          OS/2, BeOS and even more OS - see http://www.dosbox.sourceforge.net/
          >
          > However many of the American Morse users have migrated to Les Kerr's
          KOB program
          > http://home.earthlink.net/~n7rz/morse/
          >
          > The MILL should win some sort of prize for fitting all those features
          he got in there - stellar screen saver, ship light signaling, etc. It
          is a real gem of a program.
          >
          > 73
          >
          > DR
          >
          > David Ring, N1EA


          ================================================================


          David,

          While "The Instructograph" by Ted Wagner, K9TRW, and "MorseKOB"
          by Les Kerr, N7RZ, are fantastic programs, they are MS Windows only.
          They are based on MS .net, which makes them incompatible with any
          other O/S. Too bad they weren't written in standard (non-MS) Java.

          Don't misunderstand, I have nothing (much) against Microsoft, but I
          use another O/S, making these programs useless to me.

          "The Mill" by Jim Farrior, W4FOK, however, is a good and versatile
          program, covering both American and Continental Morse.

          It runs, as you say, on virtually every computer around. I use it
          constantly to send text files at high speed (to around 40 WPM)
          to improve my head copy vocabulary.

          I just wish I could figure out how to put it on a bootable CDRW;
          DOS Box makes me nervous.

          Maybe someday I'll get another Windows box to use
          The Instructograph for straight practice and MorseKob to both
          practice and get on the "wire," but until then, "The Mill" is
          handling my current needs.



          73 de john
          (ex-K5HOQ)
        • David Ring
          Hello John, I don t know why DOS Box should make you nervous! It is an excellent program and will run The MILL on all the flavors that DOS Box comes with -
          Message 4 of 7 , Nov 8, 2007
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            Hello John,

            I don't know why DOS Box should make you nervous!  It is an excellent program and will run The MILL on all the "flavors" that DOS Box comes with - Windows 2000 and later, Linux, Mac, etc.

            You don't need DOS Box for Windows 98 and earlier as those operating systems have DOS underneath them.

            You can find a boot disk for freedos - non-Microsoft DOS here: 
            http://www.freedos.org/freedos/files/

            Download the iso file for freedos, then use 7zip to edit the iso file - add the directory of c:/mill04a to the iso - and perhaps a batch file to automatically change directory to the mill04 subdirectory and then run "mill" .  You can get 7zip here it is free.   http://www.7-zip.org/

            No need to fear DOS Box - it is excellent open source program.  With open source, it is difficult to smuggle bad program code into a program.

            73

            David N1EA

            On 11/8/07, John, N5DWI <n5dwi@...> wrote:

            ================================================================


            David,

            While "The Instructograph" by Ted Wagner, K9TRW, and "MorseKOB"
            by Les Kerr, N7RZ, are fantastic programs, they are MS Windows only.
            They are based on MS .net, which makes them incompatible with any
            other O/S.  Too bad they weren't written in standard (non-MS) Java.

            Don't misunderstand, I have nothing (much) against Microsoft, but I
            use another O/S, making these programs useless to me.

            "The Mill" by Jim Farrior, W4FOK, however, is a good and versatile
            program, covering both American and Continental Morse.

            It runs, as you say, on virtually every computer around.  I use it
            constantly to send text files at high speed (to around 40 WPM)
            to improve my head copy vocabulary.

            I just wish I could figure out how to put it on a bootable CDRW;
            DOS Box makes me nervous.

            Maybe someday I'll get another Windows box to use
            The Instructograph for straight practice and MorseKob to both
            practice and get on the "wire," but until then, "The Mill" is
            handling my current needs.



            73 de john
            (ex-K5HOQ)





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          • John, N5DWI
            ... program and will run The MILL on all the flavors that DOS Box comes with - Windows 2000 and later, Linux, Mac, etc. ... systems have DOS underneath them.
            Message 5 of 7 , Nov 9, 2007
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              David Ring wrote:
              >
              > Hello John,
              >
              > I don't know why DOS Box should make you nervous! It is an excellent
              program and will run The MILL on all the "flavors" that DOS Box comes
              with - Windows 2000 and later, Linux, Mac, etc.
              >
              > You don't need DOS Box for Windows 98 and earlier as those operating
              systems have DOS underneath them.
              >
              > You can find a boot disk for freedos - non-Microsoft DOS here:
              > http://www.freedos.org/freedos/files/
              >
              > Download the iso file for freedos, then use 7zip to edit the iso file
              - add the directory of c:/mill04a to the iso - and perhaps a batch file
              to automatically change directory to the mill04 subdirectory and then
              run "mill" . You can get 7zip here it is free. http://www.7-zip.org/
              >
              > No need to fear DOS Box - it is excellent open source program. With
              open source, it is difficult to smuggle bad program code into a program.
              >
              > 73
              >
              > David N1EA

              Hi, David

              OK, based on what you said, I installed DOS Box on my Linux machine; set
              everything up according to instructions; typed in the command to run
              "The Mill;" held my breath and hit enter. And it worked like a charm !!!

              I'm impressed. Now that it's on the HD, there's no waiting while the
              floppy drive catches up with the program calls. Very nice. Thanks for
              talking me into it!

              Then, I downloaded the FreeDOS iso and the 7zip. The p7zip won't edit
              iso files (or at least the Linux version won't). So the plan now is to
              go ahead and burn the FreeDOS disk on a RW CD and try to add the "Mill"
              files afterward. I'll let you know if it works. I don't think it will,
              but, heck, it's worth a try. I'd really like to have it on a CD so that
              I can use it on other computers without changing anything on them.

              Anyway, thanks a million for the advice !!!

              73

              John N5DWI
              (ex-K5HOQ)
            • David Ring
              I use Puppy Linux - if you download the latest iso there is a edit iso file program called ISO Master - under multimedia menu - you can add the files
              Message 6 of 7 , Nov 9, 2007
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                I use Puppy Linux - if you download the latest iso there is a "edit iso" file program called ISO Master - under "multimedia" menu - you can add the files there.

                Best to all,

                73

                DR


                On Nov 10, 2007 12:33 AM, John, N5DWI <n5dwi@...> wrote:
                David Ring wrote:
                 >
                 > Hello John,
                 >
                 > I don't know why DOS Box should make you nervous!  It is an excellent
                program and will run The MILL on all the "flavors" that DOS Box comes
                with - Windows 2000 and later, Linux, Mac, etc.
                 >
                 > You don't need DOS Box for Windows 98 and earlier as those operating
                systems have DOS underneath them.
                 >
                 > You can find a boot disk for freedos - non-Microsoft DOS here:
                 > http://www.freedos.org/freedos/files/
                 >
                 > Download the iso file for freedos, then use 7zip to edit the iso file
                - add the directory of c:/mill04a to the iso - and perhaps a batch file
                to automatically change directory to the mill04 subdirectory and then
                run "mill" .  You can get 7zip here it is free.   http://www.7-zip.org/
                 >
                 > No need to fear DOS Box - it is excellent open source program.  With
                open source, it is difficult to smuggle bad program code into a program.
                 >
                 > 73
                 >
                 > David N1EA

                Hi, David

                OK, based on what you said, I installed DOS Box on my Linux machine; set
                everything up according to instructions; typed in the command to run
                "The Mill;" held my breath and hit enter.  And it worked like a charm !!!

                I'm impressed.  Now that it's on the HD, there's no waiting while the
                floppy drive catches up with the program calls.  Very nice.  Thanks for
                talking me into it!

                Then, I downloaded the FreeDOS iso and the 7zip.  The p7zip won't edit
                iso files (or at least the Linux version won't).  So the plan now is to
                go ahead and burn the FreeDOS disk on a RW CD and try to add the "Mill"
                files afterward.  I'll let you know if it works.  I don't think it will,
                but, heck, it's worth a try.  I'd really like to have it on a CD so that
                I can use it on other computers without changing anything on them.

                Anyway, thanks a million for the advice !!!

                73

                John N5DWI
                (ex-K5HOQ)




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