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  • David Ring
    It IS a bit exagerated! But commercial operators bat the keys around much more than hams (at least newer hams) do because they grew up on bugs and hand keys
    Message 1 of 16 , Jul 24, 2007
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      It IS a bit exagerated! But commercial operators bat the keys around
      much more than hams (at least newer hams) do because they "grew up" on
      bugs and hand keys - not keyers. Most of the equipment on ships
      wouldn't work with a keyer because the current and sometimes the
      voltage would burn the switching transistors up. It was common to
      have either 240 vac on the keyline (foreign ships) or 120 vac on the
      keyline - usually at about 300 to 400 milliampers (or for 240 vac
      about 150 to 200 milliamperes).

      Every ship station that I've ever seen or used had no side tone. If
      you used a bug you'd have to count the relay clacking on the
      transmitter, or build up some sort of r.f. keyed sidetone generator,
      or find a hefty relay and put it in a box and interface (connect) your
      bug to that box and key both the transmitter but also a code
      oscillator (sidetone). I used a Curtis EK430 keyer with a Clair HGJM
      series mercury wetted relay (the relay alone cost me $50 in 1978). Of
      course the cost was nothing compared with figuring out a circuit
      protection that would work on both positive and negative voltages
      (simple now: just a 1 Meg ohm resistor across the contacts of the
      relay with a small capacitor across that.) But I went through a few
      hundred dollars of different relays to find one that worked!

      One that worked - and was in high demand because it did - was the old
      Hallicrafters HA! keyer - also called the T.O. Keyer after it's maker
      Jim Ricks, W9TO (now SK).

      73

      David N1EA
      =30=
      On 7/24/07, k4oso <k4oso@...> wrote:
      > I'm no authority but, that style looks a bit exaggerated, to me.
      > But, its the results that count, eh? I wouldn't want to flail about
      > like that. My wrist/arm would be worn out. Having said that, this a
      > good example of individual style/ergonomics and an argument against
      > any one-size-fits-all dogma.
      > 73, Milt k4oso
      >
    • Adam Taylor
      Nah, nothing wrong with DA s style...shes a great CW op. I had the pleasure of working her on the first night of nights . This year i didnt get to log K6KPH
      Message 2 of 16 , Jul 24, 2007
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        Nah, nothing wrong with DA's style...shes a great CW op. I had the pleasure of working her on the first 'night of nights'. This year i didnt get to log K6KPH because the op was...well, i guess i could say flustered...he was being barraged and im suspecting he wasnt prepared for a small pileup so i moved on. the op was named Adam and im not sure if he was a ham or not, but i suspect he wasnt a former pro operator, but he probably had fun nevertheless and kudos to him for getting the opportunity to op at such a historical station...im a little envious ;-). it was just good to hear these stations on the air again. I logged KPH everywhere...i swear i heard them on my toaster they were so loud. I also got KSM, KLB, WLO, KFS all running CW traffic...in addition to that, i did hear NMN, NMO, NMC, TAH in Turkey and SVO in Greece with CW ID's in the data section. and i got a CW numbers spy station to boot...fun night and i look forward to next year.
         
         By the way, David...i heard you laying some traffic on that op there at K6KPH, we have worked a few times before, always a pleasure...i better check to see if i sent you a card!  Take care all, see you in the subbands.
         
        73...Adam, N7YA

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Grover Cleveland"
        To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Slap Shot Bug Sendng
        Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 06:54:59 -0700

        Folks,

        Now that's a first class operator - Denise Stoops, former Coast Guard RM2 and the first woman operator hired at KPH. You may not like her style, but she sends the most beautiful Morse on that bug. It is a delight to listen to.

        Grover K7TP

        On 7/23/07, David Ring <n1ea@...> wrote:

        Video showing KPH and NMC and YL sending "slap-shot" on a bug.

        Also ELT and EPIRBs.

        http://abclocal. go.com/kgo/ story?section= drive_to_ discover&id=5479758

        73

        David Ring, N1EA




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      • David Ring
        Yes, this last Night of Nights I was monitoring the calling frequencies and I heard KKUI calling KSM for an hour or so . When I heard K6KPH I told Adam QRW
        Message 3 of 16 , Jul 24, 2007
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          Yes, this last Night of Nights I was monitoring the calling frequencies and I heard KKUI calling KSM for an hour or so .  When I heard K6KPH I told Adam "QRW KSM QRZ KKUI 12 MHZ" and he didn't know what I meant!

          I asked to speak to DA, and she came on and immediately knew my message.  I suspect "Adam" of K6KPH fame was a former USCG operator but not one as familiar with the Q signals.

          The message means:  PLEASE INFORM KSM THAT HE IS BEING CALLED BY KKUI ON 12 MHZ" - simple enough: QRW KSM QRZ KKUI 12 MHz +

          DA got it first time!  Adam didn't know what I was saying!

          73

          DR

          On 7/24/07, Adam Taylor <n7ya@... > wrote:
          Nah, nothing wrong with DA's style...shes a great CW op. I had the pleasure of working her on the first 'night of nights'. This year i didnt get to log K6KPH because the op was...well, i guess i could say flustered...he was being barraged and im suspecting he wasnt prepared for a small pileup so i moved on. the op was named Adam and im not sure if he was a ham or not, but i suspect he wasnt a former pro operator, but he probably had fun nevertheless and kudos to him for getting the opportunity to op at such a historical station...im a little envious ;-). it was just good to hear these stations on the air again. I logged KPH everywhere...i swear i heard them on my toaster they were so loud. I also got KSM, KLB, WLO, KFS all running CW traffic...in addition to that, i did hear NMN, NMO, NMC, TAH in Turkey and SVO in Greece with CW ID's in the data section. and i got a CW numbers spy station to boot...fun night and i look forward to next year.
           
           By the way, David...i heard you laying some traffic on that op there at K6KPH, we have worked a few times before, always a pleasure...i better check to see if i sent you a card!  Take care all, see you in the subbands.
           
          73...Adam, N7YA

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Grover Cleveland"
          To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Slap Shot Bug Sendng
          Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 06:54:59 -0700

          Folks,

          Now that's a first class operator - Denise Stoops, former Coast Guard RM2 and the first woman operator hired at KPH. You may not like her style, but she sends the most beautiful Morse on that bug. It is a delight to listen to.

          Grover K7TP

          On 7/23/07, David Ring <n1ea@... > wrote:

          Video showing KPH and NMC and YL sending "slap-shot" on a bug.

          Also ELT and EPIRBs.

          http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=drive_to_discover&id=5479758

          73

          David Ring, N1EA




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        • ktnjoepark@aol.com
          I cant find the KPH Vidio ?? I did bring up the KGO site Joe WB6AGR ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at
          Message 4 of 16 , Jul 25, 2007
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            I cant find the KPH Vidio ?? I did bring up the KGO  site
             
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          • Earl Needham
            ... Joe, did you get to see it? It s at
            Message 5 of 16 , Jul 25, 2007
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              At 11:21 AM 7/25/2007, ktnjoepark@... wrote:

              >I cant find the KPH Vidio ?? I did bring up the KGO site
              >
              >Joe WB6AGR

              Joe, did you get to see it? It's at
              <<http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=drive_to_discover&id=5479758>http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=drive_to_discover&id=5479758
              >

              7 3
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            • ktnjoepark@aol.com
              Thanks, I didn t realize the vidio was in the GPS msg. I guess I will have to dig out my 1956 Vibroplex I used on the Navy Schedule between Oahu Hi. and
              Message 6 of 16 , Jul 26, 2007
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                Thanks, I didn't realize the vidio was in the GPS msg.  I guess I will have to dig out my 1956 Vibroplex I used on the Navy Schedule between Oahu Hi. and Samoa
                 
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              • Adam Taylor
                Hehehe, i was listening in on the conversation concerning KKUI and was scratching my head as well...i understood you right away and i never worked
                Message 7 of 16 , Jul 26, 2007
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                  Hehehe, i was listening in on the conversation concerning KKUI and was scratching my head as well...i understood you right away and i never worked commercially, and i thought he was with you when you broke in with "TFC" and he responded "GA"...and i could tell when DA took the key, big difference there. Again, im not bashing, the guy got a chance to work at a great station, they should just reconsider printing "professional operators will be at the key at K6KPH using maritime procedures" (thats the best i can remember it to say) on the website and make it more of a FD approach...but your message needed to get through, it eventually did.
                   
                   I heard you asking if DeNice was around and got back that she was 'playing host' and Dick was working 500kc at the time...but wow, what a difference in the swing when DA got on, shes old school. it was a pleasure to listen to experienced commercial ops doing your thing. Adam probably just didnt expect to have to slip into the 'professional' mode while operating an amateur station, a bit overwhelming if its not your MO. either way, i hope he had fun, i enjoyed taking part, maybe next year i will log K6KPH.
                   
                  73...Adam, N7YA

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "David Ring"
                  To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Slap Shot Bug Sendng
                  Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 21:53:14 -0400

                  Yes, this last Night of Nights I was monitoring the calling frequencies and I heard KKUI calling KSM for an hour or so .  When I heard K6KPH I told Adam "QRW KSM QRZ KKUI 12 MHZ" and he didn't know what I meant!

                  I asked to speak to DA, and she came on and immediately knew my message.  I suspect "Adam" of K6KPH fame was a former USCG operator but not one as familiar with the Q signals.

                  The message means:  PLEASE INFORM KSM THAT HE IS BEING CALLED BY KKUI ON 12 MHZ" - simple enough: QRW KSM QRZ KKUI 12 MHz +

                  DA got it first time!  Adam didn't know what I was saying!

                  73

                  DR

                  On 7/24/07, Adam Taylor <n7ya@... > wrote:
                  Nah, nothing wrong with DA's style...shes a great CW op. I had the pleasure of working her on the first 'night of nights'. This year i didnt get to log K6KPH because the op was...well, i guess i could say flustered... he was being barraged and im suspecting he wasnt prepared for a small pileup so i moved on. the op was named Adam and im not sure if he was a ham or not, but i suspect he wasnt a former pro operator, but he probably had fun nevertheless and kudos to him for getting the opportunity to op at such a historical station...im a little envious ;-). it was just good to hear these stations on the air again. I logged KPH everywhere.. .i swear i heard them on my toaster they were so loud. I also got KSM, KLB, WLO, KFS all running CW traffic...in addition to that, i did hear NMN, NMO, NMC, TAH in Turkey and SVO in Greece with CW ID's in the data section. and i got a CW numbers spy station to boot...fun night and i look forward to next year.
                   
                   By the way, David...i heard you laying some traffic on that op there at K6KPH, we have worked a few times before, always a pleasure...i better check to see if i sent you a card!  Take care all, see you in the subbands.
                   
                  73...Adam, N7YA

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "Grover Cleveland"
                  To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups .com
                  Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Slap Shot Bug Sendng
                  Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 06:54:59 -0700

                  Folks,

                  Now that's a first class operator - Denise Stoops, former Coast Guard RM2 and the first woman operator hired at KPH. You may not like her style, but she sends the most beautiful Morse on that bug. It is a delight to listen to.

                  Grover K7TP

                  On 7/23/07, David Ring <n1ea@... > wrote:

                  Video showing KPH and NMC and YL sending "slap-shot" on a bug.

                  Also ELT and EPIRBs.

                  http://abclocal. go.com/kgo/ story?section= drive_to_ discover&id=5479758

                  73

                  David Ring, N1EA




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                • n6vl
                  Fellows: Its about time I chime in, but that not so much about DA, but about the gentleman pictured just after her. That is Bill W1HIJ/6 who works at my local
                  Message 8 of 16 , Jul 27, 2007
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                    Fellows:

                    Its about time I chime in, but that not so much about DA, but about
                    the gentleman pictured just after her. That is Bill W1HIJ/6 who works
                    at my local HRO store in Anaheim.

                    Bill is a bug devotee and uses a 1931(???) Vibroplex Lightning bug.
                    He just doesn't like any bugs built after the war. Bill is involved
                    with the Coast Guard Auxillary (I think). He does his CW from 25 to
                    35 wpm. He has personally adjusted my bugs for, until I mess them up
                    again. He is one of only two bug users I have met personally. His
                    call is a vanity call, the same one he had a number of years ago
                    somewhere in New England.

                    Back to DA: I have settled on a less exagerated version of her style.
                    Only I tend to swing my forearm instead of the wrist. Perhaps
                    someday, when I am faster, I'll revisit the technique. But it is good
                    to know there those out there with more radical styles than mine, and
                    with excellent results.

                    I'll have to point Bill W1HIJ/6 to the video link.

                    73,

                    Steve N6VL
                  • Adam Taylor
                    Well im sure quite a few of us here are bug users. in 24 years of hamming, ive never gotten used to keyers and only used a keyboard once in 1985 at KL7FH s
                    Message 9 of 16 , Jul 28, 2007
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                      Well im sure quite a few of us here are bug users. in 24 years of hamming, ive never gotten used to keyers and only used a keyboard once in 1985 at KL7FH's house...its all bugs for me...and i have a weakness for very old hand keys too...primarily camelbacks and sparkies, its always fun to mention to the guy on the other end that i am working him with an 1870's hand pump or some weird collectible.
                       Kudos to Bill for knowing what he likes, i must agree on the old bugs since many older bugs were designed and built with the pro telegrapher in mind, but there have been a lot of really nice specialty bugs popping, custom made stuff thats smooth as silk (so i hear :-), i did have a really nice hand key made for me from the Ukraine, but i enjoy the 66 Vibroplex that i bought from a fellow SKCC member, its my main bug. I also have a very early model Speed-X bug and a J-36...i also have some mini-paddles and was trying to get used to using the Bulldog a few years ago, but i prefer the natural feel of a bug or key, i know a few big gun guys would chuckle to themselves about that..but hey, ya like what ya like!  Im just glad to know there are many others out there like me, thanks to everyone for sharing your stories...i enjoy them.
                       
                      73...Adam, N7YA

                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: n6vl
                      To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Slap Shot Bug Sendng
                      Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 04:53:22 -0000

                      Fellows:

                      Its about time I chime in, but that not so much about DA, but about
                      the gentleman pictured just after her. That is Bill W1HIJ/6 who works
                      at my local HRO store in Anaheim.

                      Bill is a bug devotee and uses a 1931(???) Vibroplex Lightning bug.
                      He just doesn't like any bugs built after the war. Bill is involved
                      with the Coast Guard Auxillary (I think). He does his CW from 25 to
                      35 wpm. He has personally adjusted my bugs for, until I mess them up
                      again. He is one of only two bug users I have met personally. His
                      call is a vanity call, the same one he had a number of years ago
                      somewhere in New England.

                      Back to DA: I have settled on a less exagerated version of her style.
                      Only I tend to swing my forearm instead of the wrist. Perhaps
                      someday, when I am faster, I'll revisit the technique. But it is good
                      to know there those out there with more radical styles than mine, and
                      with excellent results.

                      I'll have to point Bill W1HIJ/6 to the video link.

                      73,

                      Steve N6VL


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                    • n6vl
                      Adam, Here is an update from Bill W1HIJ/6. I just went to HRO and chatted with Bill. His bug is a 1939 Zephyr, not the 1931 Ligthning I had thought. Bill
                      Message 10 of 16 , Jul 28, 2007
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                        Adam,

                        Here is an update from Bill W1HIJ/6. I just went to HRO and chatted
                        with Bill. His bug is a 1939 Zephyr, not the 1931 Ligthning I had
                        thought. Bill thought his bug as a 1939 Champion until Mr. Dillman told
                        him it was a Zephyr. It is the bug shown in the video. He was holding
                        it down with his left hand because he forgot his shelf liner. Bill also
                        has a Radio Telegraph license, so he was operating both KPH and K6KPH.

                        Bill was telling his KPH story to a couple other customer, but I was
                        occupied talking to another neighbor ham friend of mine.

                        73,

                        Steve N6VL
                      • Adam Taylor
                        Oh my god!! I have been doing this for a while now....and never once thought about shelf liner!! what a knucklehead!! I have used old mousepads, holding it
                        Message 11 of 16 , Jul 28, 2007
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                          Oh my god!!  I have been doing this for a while now....and never once thought about shelf liner!! what a knucklehead!!  I have used old mousepads, holding it down, even considered routing a few indentations into the desk but thought better of it thankfully, hehehe...ok, i guess that settles it, im heading off to Target to buy some now...after i finish cutting these rackmounts down to size...which is a whole different nightmare, but i digress.
                           
                           A 39 Zephyr would be nice on the desk. Im a bass player by profession, Vibroplex is basically the Fender of the telegraph world...every recording from the early 50's to the early 80's was recorded mostly on Fender basses, just good solid hardwear, nice feel, looks great and has a sweet tone like no other...not to mention the rugged design. I swear by my Fender J basses...as well, im glad i bought a Vibroplex, i will likely get another one, different model perhaps. Just like Fender, Vibroplex makes a lot of good products. Another similarity and key to success is on the production end, there are a LOT of Vibro's floating around out there, a few of them highly sought after...but why disrupt a good thing, 100+ years of production is pretty solid in my book, Fender only has half of that and they took over the bass/guitar world! (musical history tidbit...some sheet music from the 50's and early 60's actually had parts written specifically for a "fender bass", being synonymous with ANY electric bass of the time). Ok, ive geeked out on my craft enough...i dont work for Fender by the way, they just work for me, besides, they dont need any endorsement...neither does Vibroplex, for that matter.
                           
                           As far as Bill goes, he sounds like a facinating man, I am looking through my logs to see if i ever worked him...if i find it, i will send along a card and mention you. :-)  I may have even worked you before. either way, I would be interested in his stories, if you are able, i would like to hear more about Bill and his days at KPH. hopefully he will bring his Zephyr to next years Night of Nights and sit in for a while. I would be honored to work him. Hope to hear you on the air soon.
                           
                          73...Adam, N7YA 

                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: n6vl
                          To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Slap Shot Bug Sendng
                          Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 22:17:27 -0000

                          Adam,

                          Here is an update from Bill W1HIJ/6. I just went to HRO and chatted
                          with Bill. His bug is a 1939 Zephyr, not the 1931 Ligthning I had
                          thought. Bill thought his bug as a 1939 Champion until Mr. Dillman told
                          him it was a Zephyr. It is the bug shown in the video. He was holding
                          it down with his left hand because he forgot his shelf liner. Bill also
                          has a Radio Telegraph license, so he was operating both KPH and K6KPH.

                          Bill was telling his KPH story to a couple other customer, but I was
                          occupied talking to another neighbor ham friend of mine.

                          73,

                          Steve N6VL


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