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  • n6vl
    I have watched to the Quicktime video from Vibprolex at http://www.vibroplex.com/1946_deluxe_n8ux.mov. The video shows sending with a definite working of the
    Message 1 of 9 , Jun 21, 2007
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      I have watched to the Quicktime video from Vibprolex at
      http://www.vibroplex.com/1946_deluxe_n8ux.mov. The video shows sending
      with a definite working of the fingers and not the rolling of the palm
      on the table surface. While the fleshing part of the palm is on the
      table, the stroking of the paddle seems to be all fingers.

      I have read a lot about how to sending with a bug, but no visual
      tutorials except for the above video.

      73,

      Steve N6VL
    • David Ring
      Mitch W4OA of Vibroplex wanted to do a video of adjusting and operating a Vibroplex, and Rich contributed that video. You can send that way - but it is tiring
      Message 2 of 9 , Jun 21, 2007
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        Mitch W4OA of Vibroplex wanted to do a video of adjusting and
        operating a Vibroplex, and Rich contributed that video.

        You can send that way - but it is tiring and you won't last very long
        nor will you be able to send fast that way.

        The finger method is much more suitable for paddles (manipulator)
        where there is no large amount of pressure on the key.

        Even with a sideswiper which has less pressure than a semi-automatic
        key, the side to side rocking is needed.

        The short muscles of the fingers fatigue very quickly as those of you
        who learned to write with the arm and not the fingers will have
        learned. The finger writers get cramps very quickly, same so the
        finger poken bug operators.

        73

        DR

        David N1EA

        On 6/21/07, n6vl <n6vl@...> wrote:
        > I have watched to the Quicktime video from Vibprolex at
        > http://www.vibroplex.com/1946_deluxe_n8ux.mov. The video shows sending
        > with a definite working of the fingers and not the rolling of the palm
        > on the table surface. While the fleshing part of the palm is on the
        > table, the stroking of the paddle seems to be all fingers.
        >
        > I have read a lot about how to sending with a bug, but no visual
        > tutorials except for the above video.
        >
        > 73,
        >
        > Steve N6VL
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
        >
        >
        >
      • k4oso
        David, In my case, at least, you are absolutely right. I used to read, with some amusement, your comments on bug sending re: rolling the arm and NOT moving
        Message 3 of 9 , Jun 21, 2007
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          David,
          In my case, at least, you are absolutely right. I used to read, with
          some amusement, your comments on bug sending re: rolling the arm and
          NOT moving the fingers. I was amused because....I was doing exactly
          what you were advising against!!!
          HOWEVER, once I reached 26 - 27 WPM, I found I had to lock the wrist
          and fingers and roll on the meaty side of my hand. Working the
          fingers is a luxury I could only enjoy at slow speeds.....at close to
          30 WPM, for me, its "lock it or lose it" :-)
          ZUT 73,
          Milt k4oso


          --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "David Ring" <n1ea@...> wrote:
          > You can send that way - but it is tiring and you won't last very
          long
          > nor will you be able to send fast that way.
          >
          >
          > 73
          >
          > DR
          >
          > David N1EA
        • David Ring
          It seems from keeping the wrist down with a hand key, to using the arm to send with a bug, to using the arm to write with, people just don t get it. The only
          Message 4 of 9 , Jun 22, 2007
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            It seems from keeping the wrist down with a hand key, to using the arm
            to send with a bug, to using the arm to write with, people just don't
            get it.

            The only thing you have to use the fingers for is the keyboard!

            Don't get me wrong - you will THINK that you can send better, faster,
            more precisely with your fingers, but you will eventually find that
            you are wrong and that if you do it the right way from the beginning
            it will be SO much easier.

            I remember some people who taught morse thought that posture and how
            you used a key was so important they'd spend an entire class on it and
            then review it and inspect people often.

            Many people just don't have a sense of what they're doing - but many
            more just think that if it seems easier AT FIRST it is always going to
            be easier.

            THAT IS THE ERROR.

            It feels easier at first to use the fingers, but it quickly becomes
            painful and the rhythm is not consistant.

            It is easier, much easier, and faster (in time with practice) with the arm.

            Short finger muscles fatigue fast - long muscles in arm last long time.

            73

            DR
            On 6/22/07, k4oso <k4oso@...> wrote:
            > David,
            > In my case, at least, you are absolutely right. I used to read, with
            > some amusement, your comments on bug sending re: rolling the arm and
            > NOT moving the fingers. I was amused because....I was doing exactly
            > what you were advising against!!!
            > HOWEVER, once I reached 26 - 27 WPM, I found I had to lock the wrist
            > and fingers and roll on the meaty side of my hand. Working the
            > fingers is a luxury I could only enjoy at slow speeds.....at close to
            > 30 WPM, for me, its "lock it or lose it" :-)
            > ZUT 73,
            > Milt k4oso
            >
            >
            > --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "David Ring" <n1ea@...> wrote:
            > > You can send that way - but it is tiring and you won't last very
            > long
            > > nor will you be able to send fast that way.
            > >
            > >
            > > 73
            > >
            > > DR
            > >
            > > David N1EA
            >
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > Yahoo! Groups Links
            >
            >
            >
            >
          • n6vl
            I find even my lower speeds, under 20 wpm, too much finger action gets me in trouble, especially when transitioning from dits to dahs. I can t fully use the
            Message 5 of 9 , Jun 22, 2007
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              I find even my lower speeds, under 20 wpm, too much finger action
              gets me in trouble, especially when transitioning from dits to dahs.
              I can't fully use the rocking wrist motion at lower speeds, simply
              because of the wider contact gaps. I get the impression the actual
              amount of wrist rotation is rather small in terms of real movement. I
              think it is meant for narrower contact spacings.

              That said, I have found a way to hold the fingers rigid. It is hard
              to describe in words, but I put more the arm into sending, and resist
              using the fingers. I can see how rocking the wrist would work at
              higher speeds where to amount of travel is smaller.

              Also my noisy dits went away with a different bug. My Original is so
              much better than my Champion. As they say, your mileage may vary.
              Each bug is unique. Anyway, I no longer fight to have good dits and
              now can focus on sending rhythm. My Champion bug is retired.

              I am still learning!

              73,

              Steve N6VL
            • David Ring
              I wish someone around here had a high-resolution video camera! The wrist roll isn t a flick - it is a genuine roll - like turning a door knob.- about 50
              Message 6 of 9 , Jun 22, 2007
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                I wish someone around here had a high-resolution video camera!

                The wrist roll isn't a "flick" - it is a genuine roll - like turning a
                door knob.- about 50 degrees of rotation - using a clock example -
                from 12 to 10. The "dot roll" never feels the same size - but it is
                just about. But you notice how much more iinprecise the "dot roll" is
                than the "dash roll" - or at least I do.

                73

                DR
                David Ring, N1EA

                On 6/22/07, n6vl <n6vl@...> wrote:
                > I find even my lower speeds, under 20 wpm, too much finger action
                > gets me in trouble, especially when transitioning from dits to dahs.
                > I can't fully use the rocking wrist motion at lower speeds, simply
                > because of the wider contact gaps. I get the impression the actual
                > amount of wrist rotation is rather small in terms of real movement. I
                > think it is meant for narrower contact spacings.
                >
                > That said, I have found a way to hold the fingers rigid. It is hard
                > to describe in words, but I put more the arm into sending, and resist
                > using the fingers. I can see how rocking the wrist would work at
                > higher speeds where to amount of travel is smaller.
                >
                > Also my noisy dits went away with a different bug. My Original is so
                > much better than my Champion. As they say, your mileage may vary.
                > Each bug is unique. Anyway, I no longer fight to have good dits and
                > now can focus on sending rhythm. My Champion bug is retired.
                >
                > I am still learning!
                >
                > 73,
                >
                > Steve N6VL
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > Yahoo! Groups Links
                >
                >
                >
                >
              • Joseph Park
                ... sending ... palm ... I can open the URL, and cant find it on their website. Joe WB6AGR
                Message 7 of 9 , Jul 15 5:08 PM
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                  --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "n6vl" <n6vl@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > I have watched to the Quicktime video from Vibprolex at
                  > http://www.vibroplex.com/1946_deluxe_n8ux.mov. The video shows
                  sending
                  > with a definite working of the fingers and not the rolling of the
                  palm
                  > on the table surface. While the fleshing part of the palm is on the
                  > table, the stroking of the paddle seems to be all fingers.
                  >
                  > I have read a lot about how to sending with a bug, but no visual
                  > tutorials except for the above video.
                  >
                  > 73,
                  >
                  > Steve N6VL
                  >
                  I can open the URL, and cant find it on their website.

                  Joe WB6AGR
                • Joseph Park
                  ... the ... Oops, I meant to say I can NOT open the URL Joe
                  Message 8 of 9 , Jul 15 5:21 PM
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                    --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Park" <ktnjoepark@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "n6vl" <n6vl@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > I have watched to the Quicktime video from Vibprolex at
                    > > http://www.vibroplex.com/1946_deluxe_n8ux.mov. The video shows
                    > sending
                    > > with a definite working of the fingers and not the rolling of the
                    > palm
                    > > on the table surface. While the fleshing part of the palm is on
                    the
                    > > table, the stroking of the paddle seems to be all fingers.
                    > >
                    > > I have read a lot about how to sending with a bug, but no visual
                    > > tutorials except for the above video.
                    > >
                    > > 73,
                    > >
                    > > Steve N6VL
                    > >

                    Oops, I meant to say I can NOT open the URL

                    Joe
                  • David Ring
                    Probably for the best. Roll your hand - if slow speed make the throw very wide. You ll figure it out. 73 DR
                    Message 9 of 9 , Jul 15 8:18 PM
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                      Probably for the best. Roll your hand - if slow speed make the throw very wide.

                      You'll figure it out.

                      73

                      DR

                      On 7/15/07, Joseph Park <ktnjoepark@...> wrote:
                      > --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Park" <ktnjoepark@...> wrote:
                      > >
                      >
                      > Oops, I meant to say I can NOT open the URL
                      >
                      > Joe
                      >
                      >
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