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  • steve_n0tu
    Recently restored a Vibroplex Original and started relearning how to use it. The good news was it came back pretty fast after a month of practice I was
    Message 1 of 8 , May 2 7:13 AM
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      Recently restored a Vibroplex Original and started relearning how to
      use it. The good news was it came back pretty fast after a month of
      practice I was starting to get the hang of it again and actually had a
      few on the air QSOs. The other guys didn't complain too much about my
      sloppy fist! The bad news is my fore arm would break out in pins and
      needles after an hour or so of QSO! Probably too many years driving a
      mouse using PCs!

      So I'm back on my keyer paddles w/keyer (sigh) which don't seem to
      bother my wrist as much? I think it because of all the additional
      movement in the forearm required to operate the bug that's giving my
      wrist the fits! However I worked a guy this AM who was using a Champion
      who said he had similar issues and said the Champion was alot easier to
      operate than the Original? He said he thought the Original took more
      effort to operate? Is this true?

      So does anyone have a Champ or equiv-design that they might want to
      part with???

      Tks Steve/n0tu
    • wf2u@starband.net
      If your wrist is stressed and overworked while sending with a bug, you re not using it correctly. The bug was developed to ease the strain on the wrist which
      Message 2 of 8 , May 2 7:24 AM
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        If your wrist is stressed and overworked while sending with a bug, you're
        not using it correctly. The bug was developed to ease the strain on the
        wrist which occured with the straight key usage.

        The bug should be operated with finger pressure, while the wrist is
        resting on the table. The wrist motion/effort should be minimal. It
        doesn't matter what bug is used, as long as the bug is adjusted correctly.

        73, Meir WF2U - Bug user since 1965...
        Landrum, SC


        > Recently restored a Vibroplex Original and started relearning how to
        > use it. The good news was it came back pretty fast after a month of
        > practice I was starting to get the hang of it again and actually had a
        > few on the air QSOs. The other guys didn't complain too much about my
        > sloppy fist! The bad news is my fore arm would break out in pins and
        > needles after an hour or so of QSO! Probably too many years driving a
        > mouse using PCs!
        >
        > So I'm back on my keyer paddles w/keyer (sigh) which don't seem to
        > bother my wrist as much? I think it because of all the additional
        > movement in the forearm required to operate the bug that's giving my
        > wrist the fits! However I worked a guy this AM who was using a Champion
        > who said he had similar issues and said the Champion was alot easier to
        > operate than the Original? He said he thought the Original took more
        > effort to operate? Is this true?
        >
        > So does anyone have a Champ or equiv-design that they might want to
        > part with???
        >
        > Tks Steve/n0tu
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
        >
        >
      • n0tu/Steve
        Thanks for the response Meir. I used Vibroplex s instructions on setup? any suggestions?
        Message 3 of 8 , May 2 7:35 AM
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          Thanks for the response Meir. I used Vibroplex's instructions on setup? any suggestions?

          On 5/2/07, wf2u@... <wf2u@...> wrote:

          If your wrist is stressed and overworked while sending with a bug, you're
          not using it correctly. The bug was developed to ease the strain on the
          wrist which occured with the straight key usage.

          The bug should be operated with finger pressure, while the wrist is
          resting on the table. The wrist motion/effort should be minimal. It
          doesn't matter what bug is used, as long as the bug is adjusted correctly.

          73, Meir WF2U - Bug user since 1965...
          Landrum, SC

          > Recently restored a Vibroplex Original and started relearning how to
          > use it. The good news was it came back pretty fast after a month of
          > practice I was starting to get the hang of it again and actually had a
          > few on the air QSOs. The other guys didn't complain too much about my
          > sloppy fist! The bad news is my fore arm would break out in pins and
          > needles after an hour or so of QSO! Probably too many years driving a
          > mouse using PCs!
          >
          > So I'm back on my keyer paddles w/keyer (sigh) which don't seem to
          > bother my wrist as much? I think it because of all the additional
          > movement in the forearm required to operate the bug that's giving my
          > wrist the fits! However I worked a guy this AM who was using a Champion
          > who said he had similar issues and said the Champion was alot easier to
          > operate than the Original? He said he thought the Original took more
          > effort to operate? Is this true?
          >
          > So does anyone have a Champ or equiv-design that they might want to
          > part with???
          >
          > Tks Steve/n0tu
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >


        • k4oso@aol.com
          Steve, I have both Originals and Champions and don t think the effort involved is any different. However, that changes when you go to the old model Blue
          Message 4 of 8 , May 2 8:40 AM
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            Steve,
            I have both Originals and Champions and don't think the effort involved is any different.  However, that changes when you go to the old model Blue Racers.  The BR is considerably easier, much like a paddle, almost.  Having said that, if your wrist is getting sore, you probably are not using the bug correctly.  The movement should be of the arm, and rolling on the meaty side of your hand.  David, N1EA says no movement of the fingers is allowed, but my sending style does involve some degree of finger movement.  At any rate, the wrist should not be doing the heavy lifting.
            If, after all is said and done, you still are searching for a Champion, I have two and would be willing to part with one of them.
            Good luck es 73
            Milt k4oso
            In a message dated 5/2/2007 7:17:42 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, n0tu.qrp@... writes:
            Recently restored a Vibroplex Original and started relearning how to
            use it. The good news was it came back pretty fast after a month of
            practice I was starting to get the hang of it again and actually had a
            few on the air QSOs. The other guys didn't complain too much about my
            sloppy fist! The bad news is my fore arm would break out in pins and
            needles after an hour or so of QSO! Probably too many years driving a
            mouse using PCs!

            So I'm back on my keyer paddles w/keyer (sigh) which don't seem to
            bother my wrist as much? I think it because of all the additional
            movement in the forearm required to operate the bug that's giving my
            wrist the fits! However I worked a guy this AM who was using a Champion
            who said he had similar issues and said the Champion was alot easier to
            operate than the Original? He said he thought the Original took more
            effort to operate? Is this true?

            So does anyone have a Champ or equiv-design that they might want to
            part with???

            Tks Steve/n0tu
             




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          • Frank N. Haas
            I have 4 different bugs on the operating desk. The differences between them are slight at best. I agree with Meir that you may be using the bug incorrectly if
            Message 5 of 8 , May 2 9:17 AM
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              I have 4 different bugs on the operating desk. The differences between them are slight at best. I agree with Meir that you may be using the bug incorrectly if it hurts at all. Or you have some medical issue that may cause you to be extraordinarily sensitive to the movements needed to operate the bug.

              I have never used a Champion though I look forward to it someday. I do have 2 Lightning Bugs, one of which lives on my desk along with the dual lever Frattini, Vibroplex Deluxe Original and the K4VIZ VizKey Vertical. The lightest touch is the Lightning bug. There is less metal used to make its pendulum and it's sliding weight is smallish. The dual lever Frattini is the next lightest only because the weight on the pendulum is somewhat larger and the pendulum itself is somewhat longer. The Deluxe Original has an Extendadot bug tamer so it's pendulum is ever so slightly heavier but with its jeweled movement, it is smooth and easy to operate. Originals with more than one weight, especially the largest standard Vibroplex weights can be tough to use at any speed.

              Adding lots of weight to a bug pendulum to slow it down is usually counterproductive and can lead to fatigue if overdone. A too-heavily-weighted pendulum will result in sloppy sending as well. Perhaps you have too much weight on your pendulum??? I'm sure it has been discussed here ad nauseum and I don't want to re-open the debate but I find pendulum
              extenders to be much more effective at slowing a bug without adding undue weight. My favorite is the Extendadot.

              The VizKey Vertical is fun to use but it has a different feel particularly on the dash lever. In my unscientific way, I sense that I'm working hardest using the Vizkey. The weight used on the Vizkey is large...somewhat larger than a large Vibroplex weight. Since the pendulum is well balanced, it's still easy to use the bug but I can feel myself using a trifle more effort to move the pendulum from side to side. The movement just isn't as silky smooth as the others.

              But I can operate any of these bugs for hours without experiencing ANY pain. So I would carefully examine how you are using your bug to see if you are doing something that is hurting you. "Doctor, it hurts when I do this!" "Don't do that!!!!" says the doctor.

              In the most general sense, using a bug involves keeping the fingers fixed at a specific spread and rocking one's arm back and forth. The most work is done keeping the fingers fixed in place. The bug is operated by the rocking motion of one's arm from side to side, not by moving the fingers alone. N1EA has produced several notes on this technique. Search the message archive here to read his description. Ultimately, using a bug should be close to effortless with no muscle ache whatsoever. Remember, just like everyone else, you are unique. Perhaps there is something going on in your arm that can be understood only by a medical professional. Perhaps what you are feeling is indicative of some other issue.

              The most serious lack of resources for the beginning bug user is the lack of audio-visuals to allow a newbie to see how a bug is adjusted and used. Billions of words have been set to paper and screen attempting to describe in prose the nuances, balance, feel and manipulation required to use a bug properly. There is a video floating around various places where an op is using one method (not necessarily universally accepted as the proper method) of using an Original style bug. There simply aren't enough good training tools out there.

              Perhaps one of the things that this group could do is muster the resources needed to start Bug Training seminars at hamfests everywhere. A foundation for the promotion of bug education could be formed and donations gathered to allow a professional production team to produce a 30 minute training video that can be sold via infomercial focusing on the adjustment and use of a bug. I see great possibilities here.

              In the meantime, if you work someone on the air who has a great bug fist, ask if you can visit them for personal instruction. You could bring your bug with you for adjustment assistance. I'm sure that with just a few hours of consultation anyone's bug and skills could be immeasurably improved. Some groups foster the ELMER concept for just this reason. Perhaps it would be worth the effort to find one nearby??

              I would be glad to host folks here in Paradise for bug training as I have been told that my bug fist is fairly copyable. In fact, I believe that when I retire I will open the

              KB4T Institute for Elementary and Advanced Bug Studies

              ( or....given my QTH perhaps I should call it BUG WORLD !! )  Operators from all over the globe would then have a place to which they could go to achieve oneness with their bug. Let me give this more thought.

              In the meantime, try to get face time with someone whose fist you admire and see if you can figure out how you can use your bug without hurting yourself.

              Good luck!

              73,

              Frank KB4T
              Florida

              At 02:13 PM 5/2/2007 +0000, you wrote:

              Recently restored a Vibroplex Original and started relearning how to
              use it. The good news was it came back pretty fast after a month of
              practice I was starting to get the hang of it again and actually had a
              few on the air QSOs. The other guys didn't complain too much about my
              sloppy fist! The bad news is my fore arm would break out in pins and
              needles after an hour or so of QSO! Probably too many years driving a
              mouse using PCs!

              So I'm back on my keyer paddles w/keyer (sigh) which don't seem to
              bother my wrist as much? I think it because of all the additional
              movement in the forearm required to operate the bug that's giving my
              wrist the fits! However I worked a guy this AM who was using a Champion
              who said he had similar issues and said the Champion was alot easier to
              operate than the Original? He said he thought the Original took more
              effort to operate? Is this true?

              So does anyone have a Champ or equiv-design that they might want to
              part with???

              Tks Steve/n0tu
            • BPCI
              Frank, You aren t by any chance planning a vacation to Montana any time soon are you? Seriously, your advice is sorely needed by some of us. I, too, have a
              Message 6 of 8 , May 2 4:24 PM
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                Frank, You aren't by any chance planning a vacation to Montana any time soon are you? Seriously, your advice is sorely needed by some of us. I, too, have a Vizkey Verticle that I use regularly and really like. I am getting better with it, but still stumble on occassion. Please keep your advice coming...73, Ci
                 
                Ci Jones, WU7R
                FISTS #10789, CC# 1853
                SKCC #22, C#38
                NAQCC #306
                QRPARCI #12163
                 
                 
                In a message dated 05/02/07 16:32:31 Mountain Daylight Time, kb4t@... writes:
                Operators from all over the globe would then have a place to which they could go to achieve oneness with their bug. Let me give this more thought
                 
              • Troy, W6HV
                Second the motion. My Vizkey vertical isn t nearly as smooth as my old Blue Racer. I did add a two inch brass rod extension to the pendulum. Now I can use
                Message 7 of 8 , May 2 6:05 PM
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                  Second the motion. My Vizkey vertical isn't nearly as smooth as my old Blue Racer. I did add a two inch brass rod extension to the pendulum. Now I can use lighter weights. Still could use some guidance on the rascal.
                  73,
                  Troy, W6HV
                  FISTS #6874, SKCC #920
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                  From: BPCI
                  Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 4:24 PM
                  Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Champ vrs Original

                  Frank, You aren't by any chance planning a vacation to Montana any time soon are you? Seriously, your advice is sorely needed by some of us. I, too, have a Vizkey Verticle that I use regularly and really like. I am getting better with it, but still stumble on occassion. Please keep your advice coming...73, Ci
                   
                  Ci Jones, WU7R
                  FISTS #10789, CC# 1853
                  SKCC #22, C#38
                  NAQCC #306
                  QRPARCI #12163
                • Frank N. Haas
                  Ci: I m not planning any trips to Montana in the immediate future. However, offers of All Expenses Paid travel could easily influence my planning. 73, Frank
                  Message 8 of 8 , May 3 9:35 PM
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                    Ci:

                    I'm not planning any trips to Montana in the immediate future. However, offers of "All Expenses Paid" travel could easily influence my planning.

                    73,

                    Frank KB4T

                    At 05:24 PM 5/2/2007 -0600, you wrote:

                    Frank, You aren't by any chance planning a vacation to Montana any time soon are you? Seriously, your advice is sorely needed by some of us. I, too, have a Vizkey Verticle that I use regularly and really like. I am getting better with it, but still stumble on occassion. Please keep your advice coming...73, Ci
                     
                    Ci Jones, WU7R
                    FISTS #10789, CC# 1853
                    SKCC #22, C#38
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