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  • BPCI
    Steve, I am so new at this I probably have no business responding. What I notice more than the space between the dot and dash is the length of my dash is not
    Message 1 of 9 , Mar 7, 2007
      Steve, I am so new at this I probably have no business responding. What I notice more than the space between the dot and dash is the length of my dash is not very consistent. So that is what gives mine a swing on some letters.

      Ci Jones, WU7R
      FISTS #10789, CC# 1853
      SKCC #22, C#38
      NAQCC #306
      QRPARCI #12163


      In a message dated 03/07/07 09:33:01 Mountain Standard Time, n6vl@... writes:
      R is not the only letter affected. The letter L is also plauged by
      this swing rhythm. Also the letters V, Y, K and more are affected.


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    • RONALD JOHNSON
      Hi Steve, I recently added a Blue Racer to the shack and I have a short piece of rigid plastic tube which pushes over the end of the shaft onto which I
      Message 2 of 9 , Mar 7, 2007
        Hi Steve,
        I recently added a Blue Racer to the
        shack and I have a short piece of rigid plastic
        tube which pushes over the end of the shaft
        onto which I attached a small plastic knob
        from a field strength meter that was discarded
        a long time ago. I have noticed the same
        effects as yourself. When sending a "v",
        it tends to send 3 and 1/2 dots unless
        I'm very careful !! Removing the "tamer"
        cleans up the sending again.I've tried
        various ways to slow it down a little but
        everything seems to upset the bug's
        action.I think the answer is to use it as
        Vibroplex intended and just try and
        improve my copying speed!
        Regards,Ron g3xov



        n6vl <n6vl@...> wrote:
        Hi,

        I have noticed a swing to my bug sending. Maybe I am worried about
        nothing. After all we use bugs to get away from the clinical sound
        of perfect code, don't we?

        Here is the swing I am encountering. I can transition from a dash to
        dot with proper spacing between the elements. But when I transition
        from a dot to a dash, I tend to run them together. The dot to dash
        transition is still very easily heard by the ear. I use the CWGet
        software to graphically view my sending. The letter R is a good case
        in point. I can easily send di-dah-dit. However the first dot and
        dash are closer together than the dash and the second dot. The dash
        to dot transition is always fixed by the bug to matter how I fast or
        slow I send the dash and press the dot side. When sending a dot and
        moving to a dash, I have attempted to slow down the transition timing
        manually, but it can produce a dash too long.

        My bug is the Vibroplex Champion # 270463. It does have an Extendadot
        device on in. The dit rate is around 17 or 18 wpm. Of course the full
        character rate is up to the operator to send a dash 3 times the
        length of a dit.

        I removed the Extendadot and ran the bug in the low 20s wpm. The
        letter R smoothed out quite a bit and became more symetrical. I am
        starting to think this a side effect of slowing the bug down. It does
        give my sending a distinctive sound. And CWGet can still decode it.
        But I can easily send a symetrical R with a straight key at similar
        speeds, without any struggle.

        So is this common with a slowed down bug? I know this is a very
        subjective question as no two bugs are alike. And certainly no two
        fists are alike. The best remedy I have found is to slow down my fist
        action. I can do this without slowing down the sending. Sending a
        period character seems like good practice.

        R is not the only letter affected. The letter L is also plauged by
        this swing rhythm. Also the letters V, Y, K and more are affected.

        73,

        Steve N6VL






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      • k4oso@aol.com
        Steve and Ci, From what I ve heard on the air, neither of you has anything to be concerned about. You will be able to change your fist more to your liking as
        Message 3 of 9 , Mar 7, 2007
          Steve and Ci,

          From what I've heard on the air, neither of you has anything to be concerned
          about.

          You will be able to change your fist more to your liking as you gain
          experience on/control over that beast, the bug. Some degree of swing is in all our
          fists (whether we admit or not). You might try practicing sending words such
          as "etc" and "eternally". Send them at a speed which allows you to avoid
          getting sloppy, keeping the characters distinct from each other. These words
          help you to gain control by separating your dots from dashes. Its not a magic
          bullet, but the ultimate goal is the ability to control the key so its
          output sounds "right" to you. Also, try some practice sending individual letters
          versus words. That way when you send words, you're not stumbling from one
          character into another. I've found the name of the game on the bug is
          "control, control, control".
          My experience is that the more you practice, the more you will be able to
          make your cw sound the way you want it to. Right now, your sound is dictated
          to some degree by the key settings. Just keep at it. The sound of your cw is
          an extremely personal thing, so only you know what you want it to sound
          like. Just keep sending and emphasize the "sound" while avoiding too much
          analysis. Remember the old saying, "paralysis through analysis". Hope to work you
          both soon.
          73,
          Milt k4oso
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        • BPCI
          Thanks, Milt. Has anyone on this list used the GN-207A available from Morse Express at $350.00? Maybe that would make my fist sound right. Seriously, is it
          Message 4 of 9 , Mar 7, 2007
            Thanks, Milt. Has anyone on this list used the GN-207A available from Morse Express at $350.00? Maybe that would make my fist sound right. Seriously, is it worth the money?

            Ci Jones, WU7R
            FISTS #10789, CC# 1853
            SKCC #22, C#38
            NAQCC #306
            QRPARCI #12163


            In a message dated 03/07/07 12:36:57 Mountain Standard Time, k4oso writes:
            Hope to work you
            both soon.


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          • P. Grover Cleveland
            The thing that makes your fists sound right is you, although a crappy bug doesn t help matters. The tamest bug out there is a Lightning Bug and not very
            Message 5 of 9 , Mar 7, 2007
              The thing that makes your fists sound "right" is you, although a
              crappy bug doesn't help matters. The tamest bug out there is a
              Lightning Bug and not very expensive either. Additional flat bar
              weights are available from VB if you need to slow it down.

              I'm not sure I'd worry about it at the moment. A "swing" of some sort
              is like handwriting and expresses your personality. Now a really bad
              swing with extra dits thrown in gratutitously can be annoying, but I
              just smile and go on copying anyway. Nicer to my ears that a
              cookie-cutter keyer any day.

              Save your money and keep at it.

              73 and 72 and all that,

              Grover K7TP
              W6MGY - The Pacific Arc and Spark Society

              --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, BPCI <BPCI@...> wrote:
              >
              > Thanks, Milt. Has anyone on this list used the GN-207A available
              from Morse Express at $350.00? Maybe that would make my fist sound
              right. Seriously, is it worth the money?
              >
            • Earl Needham
              ... I saw this and immediately thought of some of the prosigns I ve come across while studying for the T2. The strangest one (to me, anyway) is used,
              Message 6 of 9 , Mar 7, 2007
                At 06:08 PM 3/7/2007, P. Grover Cleveland wrote:
                >Now a really bad swing with extra dits thrown in gratutitously can
                >be annoying,

                I saw this and immediately thought of some of the prosigns
                I've come across while studying for the T2. The strangest one (to
                me, anyway) is used, according to my study material, to break into a
                transmission, on a QSK circuit -- BF. Send that a few times and you
                start to wonder if you're getting too many dits! <g>

                7 3
                Earl

                KD5XB -- Earl Needham
                Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
                http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs
              • ve7bgp
                Hello all fellow Bug ops. What works great for me on my 2 Originals 51 DeLuxe and 68 Standard and my Blue Racer Standard about 52 is what I call my 2 Cents
                Message 7 of 9 , Mar 7, 2007
                  Hello all fellow Bug ops. What works great for me on my 2 Originals
                  '51 DeLuxe and '68 Standard and my Blue Racer Standard about '52 is
                  what I call my "2 Cents Worth Tamer". I find a Alligator Clip that
                  slides nicely on the Pendelium behind the damper I clip 2 pennies on
                  the Alligator Clip and face the pennies up and down or sideways to
                  fine tune the speed a little I find that takes you down a few extra
                  WPM if someone wants you to QRS a little while sending on a Vibroplex
                  Bug. You Can also clip the pennies closer or further away from the
                  damper to fine tune your speed. I hope that helps you It works great
                  for me.
                  73
                  Gerry VE7BGP
                • Scott Laughlin
                  An aging ham who once worked for the Postal Wire refered to the sound of the bug as the Lake Erie Swing.
                  Message 8 of 9 , Mar 7, 2007
                    An aging ham who once worked for the Postal Wire refered to the sound
                    of the bug as the "Lake Erie Swing."

                    --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "ve7bgp" <ve7bgp@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Hello all fellow Bug ops. What works great for me on my 2 Originals
                    > '51 DeLuxe and '68 Standard and my Blue Racer Standard about '52 is
                    > what I call my "2 Cents Worth Tamer". I find a Alligator Clip that
                    > slides nicely on the Pendelium behind the damper I clip 2 pennies on
                    > the Alligator Clip and face the pennies up and down or sideways to
                    > fine tune the speed a little I find that takes you down a few extra
                    > WPM if someone wants you to QRS a little while sending on a Vibroplex
                    > Bug. You Can also clip the pennies closer or further away from the
                    > damper to fine tune your speed. I hope that helps you It works great
                    > for me.
                    > 73
                    > Gerry VE7BGP
                    >
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