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  • n6vl
    Hi, I have noticed a swing to my bug sending. Maybe I am worried about nothing. After all we use bugs to get away from the clinical sound of perfect code,
    Message 1 of 9 , Mar 7 8:31 AM
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      Hi,

      I have noticed a swing to my bug sending. Maybe I am worried about
      nothing. After all we use bugs to get away from the clinical sound
      of perfect code, don't we?

      Here is the swing I am encountering. I can transition from a dash to
      dot with proper spacing between the elements. But when I transition
      from a dot to a dash, I tend to run them together. The dot to dash
      transition is still very easily heard by the ear. I use the CWGet
      software to graphically view my sending. The letter R is a good case
      in point. I can easily send di-dah-dit. However the first dot and
      dash are closer together than the dash and the second dot. The dash
      to dot transition is always fixed by the bug to matter how I fast or
      slow I send the dash and press the dot side. When sending a dot and
      moving to a dash, I have attempted to slow down the transition timing
      manually, but it can produce a dash too long.

      My bug is the Vibroplex Champion # 270463. It does have an Extendadot
      device on in. The dit rate is around 17 or 18 wpm. Of course the full
      character rate is up to the operator to send a dash 3 times the
      length of a dit.

      I removed the Extendadot and ran the bug in the low 20s wpm. The
      letter R smoothed out quite a bit and became more symetrical. I am
      starting to think this a side effect of slowing the bug down. It does
      give my sending a distinctive sound. And CWGet can still decode it.
      But I can easily send a symetrical R with a straight key at similar
      speeds, without any struggle.

      So is this common with a slowed down bug? I know this is a very
      subjective question as no two bugs are alike. And certainly no two
      fists are alike. The best remedy I have found is to slow down my fist
      action. I can do this without slowing down the sending. Sending a
      period character seems like good practice.

      R is not the only letter affected. The letter L is also plauged by
      this swing rhythm. Also the letters V, Y, K and more are affected.

      73,

      Steve N6VL
    • BPCI
      Steve, I am so new at this I probably have no business responding. What I notice more than the space between the dot and dash is the length of my dash is not
      Message 2 of 9 , Mar 7 10:32 AM
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        Steve, I am so new at this I probably have no business responding. What I notice more than the space between the dot and dash is the length of my dash is not very consistent. So that is what gives mine a swing on some letters.

        Ci Jones, WU7R
        FISTS #10789, CC# 1853
        SKCC #22, C#38
        NAQCC #306
        QRPARCI #12163


        In a message dated 03/07/07 09:33:01 Mountain Standard Time, n6vl@... writes:
        R is not the only letter affected. The letter L is also plauged by
        this swing rhythm. Also the letters V, Y, K and more are affected.


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      • RONALD JOHNSON
        Hi Steve, I recently added a Blue Racer to the shack and I have a short piece of rigid plastic tube which pushes over the end of the shaft onto which I
        Message 3 of 9 , Mar 7 10:52 AM
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          Hi Steve,
          I recently added a Blue Racer to the
          shack and I have a short piece of rigid plastic
          tube which pushes over the end of the shaft
          onto which I attached a small plastic knob
          from a field strength meter that was discarded
          a long time ago. I have noticed the same
          effects as yourself. When sending a "v",
          it tends to send 3 and 1/2 dots unless
          I'm very careful !! Removing the "tamer"
          cleans up the sending again.I've tried
          various ways to slow it down a little but
          everything seems to upset the bug's
          action.I think the answer is to use it as
          Vibroplex intended and just try and
          improve my copying speed!
          Regards,Ron g3xov



          n6vl <n6vl@...> wrote:
          Hi,

          I have noticed a swing to my bug sending. Maybe I am worried about
          nothing. After all we use bugs to get away from the clinical sound
          of perfect code, don't we?

          Here is the swing I am encountering. I can transition from a dash to
          dot with proper spacing between the elements. But when I transition
          from a dot to a dash, I tend to run them together. The dot to dash
          transition is still very easily heard by the ear. I use the CWGet
          software to graphically view my sending. The letter R is a good case
          in point. I can easily send di-dah-dit. However the first dot and
          dash are closer together than the dash and the second dot. The dash
          to dot transition is always fixed by the bug to matter how I fast or
          slow I send the dash and press the dot side. When sending a dot and
          moving to a dash, I have attempted to slow down the transition timing
          manually, but it can produce a dash too long.

          My bug is the Vibroplex Champion # 270463. It does have an Extendadot
          device on in. The dit rate is around 17 or 18 wpm. Of course the full
          character rate is up to the operator to send a dash 3 times the
          length of a dit.

          I removed the Extendadot and ran the bug in the low 20s wpm. The
          letter R smoothed out quite a bit and became more symetrical. I am
          starting to think this a side effect of slowing the bug down. It does
          give my sending a distinctive sound. And CWGet can still decode it.
          But I can easily send a symetrical R with a straight key at similar
          speeds, without any struggle.

          So is this common with a slowed down bug? I know this is a very
          subjective question as no two bugs are alike. And certainly no two
          fists are alike. The best remedy I have found is to slow down my fist
          action. I can do this without slowing down the sending. Sending a
          period character seems like good practice.

          R is not the only letter affected. The letter L is also plauged by
          this swing rhythm. Also the letters V, Y, K and more are affected.

          73,

          Steve N6VL






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        • k4oso@aol.com
          Steve and Ci, From what I ve heard on the air, neither of you has anything to be concerned about. You will be able to change your fist more to your liking as
          Message 4 of 9 , Mar 7 11:35 AM
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            Steve and Ci,

            From what I've heard on the air, neither of you has anything to be concerned
            about.

            You will be able to change your fist more to your liking as you gain
            experience on/control over that beast, the bug. Some degree of swing is in all our
            fists (whether we admit or not). You might try practicing sending words such
            as "etc" and "eternally". Send them at a speed which allows you to avoid
            getting sloppy, keeping the characters distinct from each other. These words
            help you to gain control by separating your dots from dashes. Its not a magic
            bullet, but the ultimate goal is the ability to control the key so its
            output sounds "right" to you. Also, try some practice sending individual letters
            versus words. That way when you send words, you're not stumbling from one
            character into another. I've found the name of the game on the bug is
            "control, control, control".
            My experience is that the more you practice, the more you will be able to
            make your cw sound the way you want it to. Right now, your sound is dictated
            to some degree by the key settings. Just keep at it. The sound of your cw is
            an extremely personal thing, so only you know what you want it to sound
            like. Just keep sending and emphasize the "sound" while avoiding too much
            analysis. Remember the old saying, "paralysis through analysis". Hope to work you
            both soon.
            73,
            Milt k4oso
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          • BPCI
            Thanks, Milt. Has anyone on this list used the GN-207A available from Morse Express at $350.00? Maybe that would make my fist sound right. Seriously, is it
            Message 5 of 9 , Mar 7 1:50 PM
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              Thanks, Milt. Has anyone on this list used the GN-207A available from Morse Express at $350.00? Maybe that would make my fist sound right. Seriously, is it worth the money?

              Ci Jones, WU7R
              FISTS #10789, CC# 1853
              SKCC #22, C#38
              NAQCC #306
              QRPARCI #12163


              In a message dated 03/07/07 12:36:57 Mountain Standard Time, k4oso writes:
              Hope to work you
              both soon.


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            • P. Grover Cleveland
              The thing that makes your fists sound right is you, although a crappy bug doesn t help matters. The tamest bug out there is a Lightning Bug and not very
              Message 6 of 9 , Mar 7 5:08 PM
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                The thing that makes your fists sound "right" is you, although a
                crappy bug doesn't help matters. The tamest bug out there is a
                Lightning Bug and not very expensive either. Additional flat bar
                weights are available from VB if you need to slow it down.

                I'm not sure I'd worry about it at the moment. A "swing" of some sort
                is like handwriting and expresses your personality. Now a really bad
                swing with extra dits thrown in gratutitously can be annoying, but I
                just smile and go on copying anyway. Nicer to my ears that a
                cookie-cutter keyer any day.

                Save your money and keep at it.

                73 and 72 and all that,

                Grover K7TP
                W6MGY - The Pacific Arc and Spark Society

                --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, BPCI <BPCI@...> wrote:
                >
                > Thanks, Milt. Has anyone on this list used the GN-207A available
                from Morse Express at $350.00? Maybe that would make my fist sound
                right. Seriously, is it worth the money?
                >
              • Earl Needham
                ... I saw this and immediately thought of some of the prosigns I ve come across while studying for the T2. The strangest one (to me, anyway) is used,
                Message 7 of 9 , Mar 7 6:00 PM
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                  At 06:08 PM 3/7/2007, P. Grover Cleveland wrote:
                  >Now a really bad swing with extra dits thrown in gratutitously can
                  >be annoying,

                  I saw this and immediately thought of some of the prosigns
                  I've come across while studying for the T2. The strangest one (to
                  me, anyway) is used, according to my study material, to break into a
                  transmission, on a QSK circuit -- BF. Send that a few times and you
                  start to wonder if you're getting too many dits! <g>

                  7 3
                  Earl

                  KD5XB -- Earl Needham
                  Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
                  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs
                • ve7bgp
                  Hello all fellow Bug ops. What works great for me on my 2 Originals 51 DeLuxe and 68 Standard and my Blue Racer Standard about 52 is what I call my 2 Cents
                  Message 8 of 9 , Mar 7 7:32 PM
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                    Hello all fellow Bug ops. What works great for me on my 2 Originals
                    '51 DeLuxe and '68 Standard and my Blue Racer Standard about '52 is
                    what I call my "2 Cents Worth Tamer". I find a Alligator Clip that
                    slides nicely on the Pendelium behind the damper I clip 2 pennies on
                    the Alligator Clip and face the pennies up and down or sideways to
                    fine tune the speed a little I find that takes you down a few extra
                    WPM if someone wants you to QRS a little while sending on a Vibroplex
                    Bug. You Can also clip the pennies closer or further away from the
                    damper to fine tune your speed. I hope that helps you It works great
                    for me.
                    73
                    Gerry VE7BGP
                  • Scott Laughlin
                    An aging ham who once worked for the Postal Wire refered to the sound of the bug as the Lake Erie Swing.
                    Message 9 of 9 , Mar 7 7:41 PM
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                      An aging ham who once worked for the Postal Wire refered to the sound
                      of the bug as the "Lake Erie Swing."

                      --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "ve7bgp" <ve7bgp@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Hello all fellow Bug ops. What works great for me on my 2 Originals
                      > '51 DeLuxe and '68 Standard and my Blue Racer Standard about '52 is
                      > what I call my "2 Cents Worth Tamer". I find a Alligator Clip that
                      > slides nicely on the Pendelium behind the damper I clip 2 pennies on
                      > the Alligator Clip and face the pennies up and down or sideways to
                      > fine tune the speed a little I find that takes you down a few extra
                      > WPM if someone wants you to QRS a little while sending on a Vibroplex
                      > Bug. You Can also clip the pennies closer or further away from the
                      > damper to fine tune your speed. I hope that helps you It works great
                      > for me.
                      > 73
                      > Gerry VE7BGP
                      >
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