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  • Troy, W6HV
    Ci, This (if my memory serves), in teaching/learning CW, is known as the Farnsworth Method and is an excellent way to help avoid counting the dots and
    Message 1 of 18 , Feb 27, 2007
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      Ci,

      This (if my memory serves), in teaching/learning CW, is known as "the Farnsworth Method" and is an excellent way to help avoid counting the dots and dashes. It also is a good way to send at a slower speed without having to try and slow down your bug. I've heard (and used) the technique when working a station that wishes a slower speed or when the copy is difficult due to QRN/QRM. I expect the good bug ops might disagree with me, but I think it's an acceptable solution.

      Troy,W6HV
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: BPCI<mailto:BPCI@...>
      To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com<mailto:cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:39 PM
      Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] My first bug experience...


      I am a new bug user, and not a particularly good one at that. In learning CW, I was told to set the character speed (of my MFJ Tutor) at 22 WPM and work up my speed until I exceeded that. In other words, I was copying at 15 WPM characters sent at 22 WPM with space in between to make it 15 WPM. In all of the various discussion of bug speeds, I have never seen this as a suggestion--i.e. make the characters at 22 WPM with enough space to slow the speed down to 15 WPM. I realize a lot of the timing is lost, but it seems to me to be a solution for those of us with old hands that can't use straight keys for great lengths of time. Any thoughts from you experienced bug users?

      Ci Jones, WU7R
      FISTS #10789, CC# 1853
      SKCC #22, C#38
      NAQCC #306
      QRPARCI #12163


      In a message dated 02/27/07 17:15:57 Mountain Standard Time, n1ea@...<mailto:n1ea@...> writes:
      For slow speeds I recommend a electronic keyer or a hand key - or even a
      keyboard.


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    • n6vl
      ... coordination - and ... send dots ... of CW ... excellent ... with ... David, The file does not exists on this group. There is a files by a VE7 called The
      Message 2 of 18 , Feb 27, 2007
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        --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "David Ring" <n1ea@...> wrote:
        > Also sending and practicing with a hand key develops your
        coordination - and
        > patience. Remember to keep your wrist down. Practice so you can
        send dots
        > on your key for minutes at a time. There is an article called "Art
        of CW"
        > by a VE7 in the files section - probably under N1EA that is an
        excellent
        > article which originally appeared in "World Radio" and is reprinted
        with
        > permission of the author here.
        >

        David,

        The file does not exists on this group. There is a files by a VE7
        called "The Secrets of CW" on the SKCC Yahoo group. It shows you as
        the owner. Is that the file you are referring to?

        73,

        Steve N6VL
      • n6vl
        ... speeds ... send ... very well. ... there s no ... David, Well then a bug would be out of my league then. I can t copy that fast right now. And I can t
        Message 3 of 18 , Feb 27, 2007
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          --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "David Ring" <n1ea@...> wrote:
          >
          > I also think it is just about a waste of time to send with a bug at
          speeds
          > of 20 wpm and less. The key wasn't designed to go so slow, and why
          send
          > with a bug when a good hand key will do the job of sending 20 wpm
          very well.
          >
          > I find sending 20 wpm with a bug torture. I never do it - and
          there's no
          > need.
          >
          > I just grab my hand key.
          >

          David,

          Well then a bug would be out of my league then. I can't copy that
          fast right now. And I can't makes dashes in the 20 wpm plus region,
          at least not yet. I guess that precludes me from using bugs. There
          are a lot of paddles users at slower speeds.

          The Hi-Mound HK-802 Swedish Pump Key clone is far and above the best
          straight key I've tried so far. Yet there is still a fatigue issue,
          though far less than with other straight keys. To be fair, the bug
          also got tiring after a while. My code with the straight key is much
          better than the bug at this time. But don't tell Milt that. I fell
          apart on the HK-802 when switching from the bug, hi hi. I think it
          takes practice to suddenly switch keys on the fly, at least in my
          experience.

          73,

          Steve N6VL
        • n6vl
          David, I have a friend who says the J-36 bug is designed to work at speeds below 20 wpm. I will have to ask him for his information source. I wonder how the
          Message 4 of 18 , Feb 27, 2007
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            David,

            I have a friend who says the J-36 bug is designed to work at speeds
            below 20 wpm. I will have to ask him for his information source. I
            wonder how the J-36 is different from other bugs.

            73,

            Steve N6VL
          • Earl Needham
            ... No it doesn t! All the statements about bugs not being used a less than 20 or 25 WPM are just opinion -- if you want to use a bug, then by all means get
            Message 5 of 18 , Feb 27, 2007
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              At 08:23 PM 2/27/2007, n6vl wrote:
              >Well then a bug would be out of my league then. I can't copy that
              >fast right now. And I can't makes dashes in the 20 wpm plus region,
              >at least not yet. I guess that precludes me from using bugs. There
              >are a lot of paddles users at slower speeds.

              No it doesn't!

              All the statements about bugs not being used a less than 20
              or 25 WPM are just opinion -- if you want to use a bug, then by all
              means get one and learn how it works and go have some fun with it.

              7 3
              Earl

              KD5XB -- Earl Needham
              Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk
              http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cw_bugs
            • David Ring
              Speaking of Lefty bugs --- Vibroplex makes left handed bugs once again. Life is good! 73 DR ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              Message 6 of 18 , Feb 27, 2007
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                Speaking of Lefty bugs --- Vibroplex makes left handed bugs once again.

                Life is good!

                73

                DR

                On 2/28/07, Ken <ka0w@...> wrote:
                >
                > Ci,
                >
                > great to hear another new Bug user. I very recently picked up a very clean
                >
                > 1963 Champion and will be in the process of "training" myself. Haven't had
                >
                > too much time to get it "tuned" yet, but will in the upcoming next few
                > days.
                > After 30+ yrs of iambic paddles I was talked into getting on a Bug. Will
                > be
                > a "lefty" on the Bug - keeping the paddle on the right to avoid a possible
                >
                > timing mess. I may go practice in the phone bands & prevent being called a
                >
                > LID. Ops in the phone bands may think it is a new digital mode.
                >
                > Hope to catch you on the bands. It will be a few weeks of practice before
                > hearing my Bug on the air. There are still some top notch Bug ops on the
                > bands. Will be fun to see what it takes to be one now.
                >
                > 73,
                >
                > Ken, KA0W
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "BPCI" <BPCI@... <BPCI%40aol.com>>
                > To: <cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com <cw_bugs%40yahoogroups.com>>
                > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:39 PM
                > Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] My first bug experience...
                >
                > >I am a new bug user, and not a particularly good one at that. In learning
                >
                > >CW, I was told to set the character speed (of my MFJ Tutor) at 22 WPM and
                >
                > >work up my speed until I exceeded that. In other words, I was copying at
                > 15
                > >WPM characters sent at 22 WPM with space in between to make it 15 WPM. In
                >
                > >all of the various discussion of bug speeds, I have never seen this as a
                > >suggestion--i.e. make the characters at 22 WPM with enough space to slow
                > >the speed down to 15 WPM. I realize a lot of the timing is lost, but it
                > >seems to me to be a solution for those of us with old hands that can't
                > use
                > >straight keys for great lengths of time. Any thoughts from you
                > experienced
                > >bug users?
                > >
                > > Ci Jones, WU7R
                > > FISTS #10789, CC# 1853
                > > SKCC #22, C#38
                > > NAQCC #306
                > > QRPARCI #12163
                >
                >
                >


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              • Don Pullen
                Ken, I got a great chuckle out of the new digital mode ! Wish I had thought of that when I started learning Morse code! vy 73 de Don n3vy Ocala, FL ... From:
                Message 7 of 18 , Feb 28, 2007
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                  Ken, I got a great chuckle out of the "new digital mode"! Wish I had thought of that when I started learning Morse code!

                  vy 73 de Don n3vy
                  Ocala, FL

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: Ken
                  To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 9:21 PM
                  Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] My first bug experience...


                  Ci,

                  great to hear another new Bug user. I very recently picked up a very clean
                  1963 Champion and will be in the process of "training" myself. Haven't had
                  too much time to get it "tuned" yet, but will in the upcoming next few days.
                  After 30+ yrs of iambic paddles I was talked into getting on a Bug. Will be
                  a "lefty" on the Bug - keeping the paddle on the right to avoid a possible
                  timing mess. I may go practice in the phone bands & prevent being called a
                  LID. Ops in the phone bands may think it is a new digital mode.

                  Hope to catch you on the bands. It will be a few weeks of practice before
                  hearing my Bug on the air. There are still some top notch Bug ops on the
                  bands. Will be fun to see what it takes to be one now.

                  73,

                  Ken, KA0W

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "BPCI" <BPCI@...>
                  To: <cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:39 PM
                  Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] My first bug experience...

                  >I am a new bug user, and not a particularly good one at that. In learning
                  >CW, I was told to set the character speed (of my MFJ Tutor) at 22 WPM and
                  >work up my speed until I exceeded that. In other words, I was copying at 15
                  >WPM characters sent at 22 WPM with space in between to make it 15 WPM. In
                  >all of the various discussion of bug speeds, I have never seen this as a
                  >suggestion--i.e. make the characters at 22 WPM with enough space to slow
                  >the speed down to 15 WPM. I realize a lot of the timing is lost, but it
                  >seems to me to be a solution for those of us with old hands that can't use
                  >straight keys for great lengths of time. Any thoughts from you experienced
                  >bug users?
                  >
                  > Ci Jones, WU7R
                  > FISTS #10789, CC# 1853
                  > SKCC #22, C#38
                  > NAQCC #306
                  > QRPARCI #12163





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                • Scott Laughlin
                  Steve, I have a World War II J-36 Serial number 103, 1943. I bought at a hamfest. It is a quick one, and in my humble opinion it works best for over 20 wpm.
                  Message 8 of 18 , Feb 28, 2007
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                    Steve,

                    I have a World War II J-36 Serial number 103, 1943. I bought at a
                    hamfest. It is a quick one, and in my humble opinion it works best
                    for over 20 wpm. I think the blade length is shorter, is the reason
                    for the speed.

                    My source is hands on.

                    72 de Scott

                    --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "n6vl" <n6vl@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > David,
                    >
                    > I have a friend who says the J-36 bug is designed to work at speeds
                    > below 20 wpm. I will have to ask him for his information source. I
                    > wonder how the J-36 is different from other bugs.
                    >
                    > 73,
                    >
                    > Steve N6VL
                    >
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