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  • lowpowerop
    Vibroplex has made many bugs over the years. What are their general characteristics for instance a lightning bug would be for someone whose speed is around 15
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      Vibroplex has made many bugs over the years. What are their general characteristics for instance a lightning bug would be for someone whose speed is around 15 wpm or an Original Deluxe is for whom?  Someone who is sending at 35wpm would benefit from what model Vibroplex?

      There are a couple of Vibroplex books out e.g. "The Vibroplex Story". Does this book cover this information of just the history.

      Thanks

      john/n4dsp
    • cloud runner
      While the different models and version details over the years have varied a lot, it would be difficult to characterize them in the way you are asking. Early
      Message 2 of 17 , Sep 9, 2013
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        While the different models and version details over the years have varied a lot, it would be difficult to characterize them in the way you are asking.  Early bugs generally have a longer, softer, slower main spring.  they also have smaller, softer dit springs which are likely compromised by rust and crystallization such that they tend to make split dits.
         
        The blue racers have a shorter distance from frame to damper, so they are faster regardless of anything else.
         
        Keys made during WW II, and seems to me, especially the deluxe models, have stiff main springs and are very fast.
         
        Keys made late sixites and more recently have plating over the main spring which in my experience seems to dampen them to sometimes fewer than even six dits.  (Haven't seen any of the very newest ones, but the ones I have tried that were made in Mobile sure had this malaise).
         
        The Lightning, or number six, is an assembled frame, hence it has more give.  Some find it easier to send with.
         
        A well restored X key has a very unqiue feel and is fun, so is an early double lever.
         
        73  fred - kt5x
         
         
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        Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 2:26 PM
        Subject: [cw_bugs] Different Vibroplex Bugs Characteristics

         

        Vibroplex has made many bugs over the years. What are their general characteristics for instance a lightning bug would be for someone whose speed is around 15 wpm or an Original Deluxe is for whom?  Someone who is sending at 35wpm would benefit from what model Vibroplex?

        There are a couple of Vibroplex books out e.g. "The Vibroplex Story". Does this book cover this information of just the history.

        Thanks

        john/n4dsp

      • D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
        Bugs were designed to be used from the top hand key speed upwards. 20 wpm was the design speed as this was the slowest speed of an experienced operator.
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          Bugs were designed to be used from the top hand key speed upwards.  20 wpm was the design speed as this was the slowest speed of an experienced operator.

          Telegraphers could send up to 35 wpm radio Morse with a hand key, the record is 45 wpm.

          2nd class radiotelegraphers had to send 20 wpm by hand key, 1st class had to send 25 wpm.  German 1st class was 28 wpm on a hand key.

          I never could send above 23  wpm, fortunately the radio union got an exemption passed so we could use bugs and typewriters for the 25 wpm test.

          The "Assembled Frame" types of Vibroplex go 20 wpm and upwards, these are the Lightning Bug, Zephyr and the Champion models.

          If I remember the Presentation model could go as slow as 10 wpm because it had a unique adjustable mainspring.  Do not confuse this with the current Original Presentation model which is just a gold plated Original.

          The "Cast Frame" Original goes about 22 wpm and upwards.  Originals are still made in about five finishes.

          The other cast frame bug is the Blue Racer goes 25 wpm and faster.
          Do not confuse this key with the modern Original Blue Racer which is an Original on a narrow base.

          You will find individual keys that run more slowly, also you can widen the pendulum swing and slow the key down but sending code with good timing becomes problematic.

          McElroy, Telegraph Apparatus Company, Speed-x and other semi automatic keys with longer pendulems send more slowly also.

          You can always load the pendulem with as many weights that fit, or buy a Varispeed.

          73

          David N1EA





          On Sep 9, 2013 4:27 PM, <lowpowerop@...> wrote:


          Vibroplex has made many bugs over the years. What are their general characteristics for instance a lightning bug would be for someone whose speed is around 15 wpm or an Original Deluxe is for whom?  Someone who is sending at 35wpm would benefit from what model Vibroplex?

          There are a couple of Vibroplex books out e.g. "The Vibroplex Story". Does this book cover this information of just the history.

          Thanks

          john/n4dsp

        • D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
          G3HGE Tom Withers currently makes a very nice dual lever semi-automatic called OLYMPIC that can send quite slowly. You could contact him at TW Equipment in
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            G3HGE Tom Withers currently makes a very nice dual lever semi-automatic called  "OLYMPIC" that can send quite slowly.  You could contact him at TW Equipment in England, he could tell you how slowly it can send.

            I have serial number 001 of this key which I use on air. Double lever keys are easier to send with at about 35 wpm and faster because the dash lever is totally independant from the dot lever and can produce dashes following dots with better timing.

            73

            David
            N1EA

          • D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
            Blue Racer model used scaled down parts, about 2/3 scale of the Original model, thus the pendulum is shorter. 73 David N1RA
            Message 5 of 17 , Sep 9, 2013
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              Blue Racer model used scaled down parts, about 2/3 scale of the Original model, thus the pendulum is shorter.

              73

              David
              N1RA

              On Sep 9, 2013 5:55 PM, "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea@...> wrote:

              Bugs were designed to be used from the top hand key speed upwards.  20 wpm was the design speed as this was the slowest speed of an experienced operator.

              Telegraphers could send up to 35 wpm radio Morse with a hand key, the record is 45 wpm.

              2nd class radiotelegraphers had to send 20 wpm by hand key, 1st class had to send 25 wpm.  German 1st class was 28 wpm on a hand key.

              I never could send above 23  wpm, fortunately the radio union got an exemption passed so we could use bugs and typewriters for the 25 wpm test.

              The "Assembled Frame" types of Vibroplex go 20 wpm and upwards, these are the Lightning Bug, Zephyr and the Champion models.

              If I remember the Presentation model could go as slow as 10 wpm because it had a unique adjustable mainspring.  Do not confuse this with the current Original Presentation model which is just a gold plated Original.

              The "Cast Frame" Original goes about 22 wpm and upwards.  Originals are still made in about five finishes.

              The other cast frame bug is the Blue Racer goes 25 wpm and faster.
              Do not confuse this key with the modern Original Blue Racer which is an Original on a narrow base.

              You will find individual keys that run more slowly, also you can widen the pendulum swing and slow the key down but sending code with good timing becomes problematic.

              McElroy, Telegraph Apparatus Company, Speed-x and other semi automatic keys with longer pendulems send more slowly also.

              You can always load the pendulem with as many weights that fit, or buy a Varispeed.

              73

              David N1EA





              On Sep 9, 2013 4:27 PM, <lowpowerop@...> wrote:


              Vibroplex has made many bugs over the years. What are their general characteristics for instance a lightning bug would be for someone whose speed is around 15 wpm or an Original Deluxe is for whom?  Someone who is sending at 35wpm would benefit from what model Vibroplex?

              There are a couple of Vibroplex books out e.g. "The Vibroplex Story". Does this book cover this information of just the history.

              Thanks

              john/n4dsp

            • Benny Owens
              FOR 35 WPM A BLUE RACER WILL BE THE TICKET. 73 BENNY K5KV
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                FOR 35 WPM A BLUE RACER WILL BE THE TICKET.

                73
                BENNY K5KV
              • TroyW6HV
                I just watched the video and the “OLYMPIC” is a truly beautiful bug. Sure wish I had one! I’ve never used a bug that was adjusted with magnetic controls.
                Message 7 of 17 , Sep 9, 2013
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                  I just watched the video and the “OLYMPIC” is a truly beautiful bug. Sure wish I had one! I’ve never used a bug that was adjusted with magnetic controls.
                   
                  I am currently using my “Deluxe Model MAC Key” (C 1938). The slowest speed is about 23 WPM and I must add a few washers to slow it down to 20 for the CW net. The weights for my Vibroplex bugs wont fit.
                   
                  73,
                  Troy, W6HV
                   
                  Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:10 PM
                  Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Different Vibroplex Bugs Characteristics
                   


                  G3HGE Tom Withers currently makes a very nice dual lever semi-automatic called  "OLYMPIC" that can send quite slowly.  You could contact him at TW Equipment in England, he could tell you how slowly it can send.

                  I have serial number 001 of this key which I use on air. Double lever keys are easier to send with at about 35 wpm and faster because the dash lever is totally independant from the dot lever and can produce dashes following dots with better timing.

                  73

                  David
                  N1EA

                • Lee Young
                  Yes, that Olympic is a truly beautiful Bug. The dots and dits sound remarkable. I m afraid to ask the price. -- Lee Young, K5LY ARRL Life member, CWops #1124,
                  Message 8 of 17 , Sep 9, 2013
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                    Yes, that Olympic is a truly beautiful Bug.
                    The dots and dits sound remarkable.

                    I'm afraid to ask the price.

                    --
                    Lee Young, K5LY
                    ARRL Life member, CWops #1124, FISTS #15371, SKCC #7448, NAQCC #5451
                    CW Forever!


                    On Mon, 2013-09-09 at 16:42 -0700, TroyW6HV wrote:
                    >
                    > I just watched the video and the “OLYMPIC” is a truly beautiful bug.
                    > Sure wish I had one! I’ve never used a bug that was adjusted with
                    > magnetic controls.
                    >
                    > I am currently using my “Deluxe Model MAC Key” (C 1938). The slowest
                    > speed is about 23 WPM and I must add a few washers to slow it down to
                    > 20 for the CW net. The weights for my Vibroplex bugs wont fit.
                    >
                    > 73,
                    > Troy, W6HV
                    >
                    > From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
                    > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:10 PM
                    > To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Different Vibroplex Bugs Characteristics
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > G3HGE Tom Withers currently makes a very nice dual lever
                    > semi-automatic called "OLYMPIC" that can send quite slowly. You
                    > could contact him at TW Equipment in England, he could tell you how
                    > slowly it can send.
                    >
                    > I have serial number 001 of this key which I use on air. Double lever
                    > keys are easier to send with at about 35 wpm and faster because the
                    > dash lever is totally independant from the dot lever and can produce
                    > dashes following dots with better timing.
                    >
                    > 73
                    >
                    > David
                    > N1EA
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                  • TroyW6HV
                    Lee It looked like the price was about (L 165) $260 plus shipping. A bit out of my retirement budget! Troy, W6HV ... From: Lee Young Sent: Monday, September
                    Message 9 of 17 , Sep 9, 2013
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                      Lee
                      It looked like the price was about (L 165) $260 plus shipping. A bit out of
                      my retirement budget!

                      Troy, W6HV

                      -----Original Message-----
                      From: Lee Young
                      Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 5:34 PM
                      To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Different Vibroplex Bugs Characteristics

                      Yes, that Olympic is a truly beautiful Bug.
                      The dots and dits sound remarkable.

                      I'm afraid to ask the price.

                      --
                      Lee Young, K5LY
                      ARRL Life member, CWops #1124, FISTS #15371, SKCC #7448, NAQCC #5451
                      CW Forever!


                      On Mon, 2013-09-09 at 16:42 -0700, TroyW6HV wrote:
                      >
                      > I just watched the video and the “OLYMPIC” is a truly beautiful bug.
                      > Sure wish I had one! I’ve never used a bug that was adjusted with
                      > magnetic controls.
                      >
                      > I am currently using my “Deluxe Model MAC Key” (C 1938). The slowest
                      > speed is about 23 WPM and I must add a few washers to slow it down to
                      > 20 for the CW net. The weights for my Vibroplex bugs wont fit.
                      >
                      > 73,
                      > Troy, W6HV
                      >
                      > From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
                      > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:10 PM
                      > To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Different Vibroplex Bugs Characteristics
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > G3HGE Tom Withers currently makes a very nice dual lever
                      > semi-automatic called "OLYMPIC" that can send quite slowly. You
                      > could contact him at TW Equipment in England, he could tell you how
                      > slowly it can send.
                      >
                      > I have serial number 001 of this key which I use on air. Double lever
                      > keys are easier to send with at about 35 wpm and faster because the
                      > dash lever is totally independant from the dot lever and can produce
                      > dashes following dots with better timing.
                      >
                      > 73
                      >
                      > David
                      > N1EA
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >



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                    • k4oso
                      I don t believe any particular Vibroplex model is either intended or best suited to a specific speed range. With the appropriate device, any Vibroplex bug can
                      Message 10 of 17 , Sep 9, 2013
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                        I don't believe any particular Vibroplex model is either intended or best suited to a specific speed range.  With the appropriate device, any Vibroplex bug can be slowed down considerably. 
                        Having said that, the Blue Racers, out of the box, are probably the most nimble of the Vib bugs.  However, they can be slowed considerably to suit the needs of the QRS op (15 wpm or so).
                        Overall, the most versatile Vibroplex I've found is the old model Presentation with the LaHiff adjustable mainspring.  Equipped with the Vari Speed, this bug is the "solution" to most speed ranges with a feel that can be tailored to your indivudual taste.
                        Good luck,
                        Milt k4oso
                         
                         
                         
                        In a message dated 9/9/2013 4:26:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lowpowerop@... writes:

                        Vibroplex has made many bugs over the years. What are their general characteristics for instance a lightning bug would be for someone whose speed is around 15 wpm or an Original Deluxe is for whom?  Someone who is sending at 35wpm would benefit from what model Vibroplex?

                        There are a couple of Vibroplex books out e.g. "The Vibroplex Story". Does this book cover this information of just the history.

                        Thanks

                        john/n4dsp

                         
                      • Fernando
                        Hello I received one in June and the exchange rate at that time came out to $315. Payment made to his daughter here in the states. Tom did an excellent job. I
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                          Hello

                          I received one in June and the exchange rate at

                          that time came out to $315. Payment made to his

                          daughter here in the states. Tom did an excellent job.

                          I never had the pleasure of using a double lever

                          and can say that errors still do occur, just like my other

                          keys. hi.. 

                          Waiting for delivery of one 90 degree bug from Donnie.

                          Have a look.

                           
                          Fernando N2FQ/6




                          On Sep 9, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Lee Young <k5ly@...> wrote:

                          Yes, that Olympic is a truly beautiful Bug.
                          The dots and dits sound remarkable.

                          I'm afraid to ask the price.

                          --
                          Lee Young, K5LY
                          ARRL Life member, CWops #1124, FISTS #15371, SKCC #7448, NAQCC #5451
                          CW Forever!


                          On Mon, 2013-09-09 at 16:42 -0700, TroyW6HV wrote:

                          I just watched the video and the “OLYMPIC” is a truly beautiful bug.
                          Sure wish I had one! I’ve never used a bug that was adjusted with
                          magnetic controls.

                          I am currently using my “Deluxe Model MAC Key” (C 1938). The slowest
                          speed is about 23 WPM and I must add a few washers to slow it down to
                          20 for the CW net. The weights for my Vibroplex bugs wont fit.

                          73,
                          Troy, W6HV

                          From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
                          Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:10 PM
                          To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Different Vibroplex Bugs Characteristics



                          G3HGE Tom Withers currently makes a very nice dual lever
                          semi-automatic called  "OLYMPIC" that can send quite slowly.  You
                          could contact him at TW Equipment in England, he could tell you how
                          slowly it can send.

                          I have serial number 001 of this key which I use on air. Double lever
                          keys are easier to send with at about 35 wpm and faster because the
                          dash lever is totally independant from the dot lever and can produce
                          dashes following dots with better timing.

                          73

                          David
                          N1EA







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                        • D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
                          Beautiful right angle bug, how much do they cost? I especially like the hex and locking nut arrangement, for precise adjustments. It is like others includding
                          Message 12 of 17 , Sep 10, 2013
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                            Beautiful right angle bug, how much do they cost?

                            I especially like the hex and locking nut arrangement, for precise adjustments.

                            It is like others includding McElroy used.

                            73

                            DR
                            N1EA

                            On Sep 10, 2013 12:39 PM, "Fernando" <n2fq@...> wrote:


                            Hello

                            I received one in June and the exchange rate at

                            that time came out to $315. Payment made to his

                            daughter here in the states. Tom did an excellent job.

                            I never had the pleasure of using a double lever

                            and can say that errors still do occur, just like my other

                            keys. hi.. 

                            Waiting for delivery of one 90 degree bug from Donnie.

                            Have a look.

                             
                            Fernando N2FQ/6




                            On Sep 9, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Lee Young <k5ly@...> wrote:

                            Yes, that Olympic is a truly beautiful Bug.
                            The dots and dits sound remarkable.

                            I'm afraid to ask the price.

                            --
                            Lee Young, K5LY
                            ARRL Life member, CWops #1124, FISTS #15371, SKCC #7448, NAQCC #5451
                            CW Forever!


                            On Mon, 2013-09-09 at 16:42 -0700, TroyW6HV wrote:

                            I just watched the video and the “OLYMPIC” is a truly beautiful bug.
                            Sure wish I had one! I’ve never used a bug that was adjusted with
                            magnetic controls.

                            I am currently using my “Deluxe Model MAC Key” (C 1938). The slowest
                            speed is about 23 WPM and I must add a few washers to slow it down to
                            20 for the CW net. The weights for my Vibroplex bugs wont fit.

                            73,
                            Troy, W6HV

                            From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
                            Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:10 PM
                            To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Different Vibroplex Bugs Characteristics



                            G3HGE Tom Withers currently makes a very nice dual lever
                            semi-automatic called  "OLYMPIC" that can send quite slowly.  You
                            could contact him at TW Equipment in England, he could tell you how
                            slowly it can send.

                            I have serial number 001 of this key which I use on air. Double lever
                            keys are easier to send with at about 35 wpm and faster because the
                            dash lever is totally independant from the dot lever and can produce
                            dashes following dots with better timing.

                            73

                            David
                            N1EA







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                          • Steve Lybarger
                            John, I affirm David’s statement that the Speed-X bug may be used at speeds slower than a Vibroplex. The GHD bug and Oz bug will also accommodate QRS
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                              John,
                               
                              I affirm David’s statement that the Speed-X bug may be used at speeds slower than a Vibroplex.  The GHD bug and Oz bug will also accommodate QRS without adding alligators, nuts, bolts and trombones.
                               
                              Steve, NU7T
                            • Fernando
                              Hello He quoted me $220 plus shipping. He has sent a few pictures with pieces on the mill on the one he is making me. Expect a 30 day wait. Not bad since
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                                Hello

                                He quoted me $220 plus shipping.

                                He has sent a few pictures with pieces on the mill

                                on the one he is making me.

                                Expect a 30 day wait. Not bad since awhile ago

                                I waited nearly a year for an OZ bug.


                                Fernando N2FQ/6




                                On Sep 10, 2013, at 10:51 AM, "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea@...> wrote:



                                Beautiful right angle bug, how much do they cost?

                                I especially like the hex and locking nut arrangement, for precise adjustments.

                                It is like others includding McElroy used.

                                73

                                DR
                                N1EA

                                On Sep 10, 2013 12:39 PM, "Fernando" <n2fq@...> wrote:


                                Hello

                                I received one in June and the exchange rate at

                                that time came out to $315. Payment made to his

                                daughter here in the states. Tom did an excellent job.

                                I never had the pleasure of using a double lever

                                and can say that errors still do occur, just like my other

                                keys. hi.. 

                                Waiting for delivery of one 90 degree bug from Donnie.

                                Have a look.

                                 
                                Fernando N2FQ/6




                                On Sep 9, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Lee Young <k5ly@...> wrote:

                                Yes, that Olympic is a truly beautiful Bug.
                                The dots and dits sound remarkable.

                                I'm afraid to ask the price.

                                -- 
                                Lee Young, K5LY
                                ARRL Life member, CWops #1124, FISTS #15371, SKCC #7448, NAQCC #5451
                                CW Forever!


                                On Mon, 2013-09-09 at 16:42 -0700, TroyW6HV wrote:

                                I just watched the video and the “OLYMPIC” is a truly beautiful bug.
                                Sure wish I had one! I’ve never used a bug that was adjusted with
                                magnetic controls.

                                I am currently using my “Deluxe Model MAC Key” (C 1938). The slowest
                                speed is about 23 WPM and I must add a few washers to slow it down to
                                20 for the CW net. The weights for my Vibroplex bugs wont fit.

                                73,
                                Troy, W6HV

                                From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. 
                                Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:10 PM
                                To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com 
                                Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Different Vibroplex Bugs Characteristics



                                G3HGE Tom Withers currently makes a very nice dual lever
                                semi-automatic called  "OLYMPIC" that can send quite slowly.  You
                                could contact him at TW Equipment in England, he could tell you how
                                slowly it can send.

                                I have serial number 001 of this key which I use on air. Double lever
                                keys are easier to send with at about 35 wpm and faster because the
                                dash lever is totally independant from the dot lever and can produce
                                dashes following dots with better timing.

                                73

                                David
                                N1EA







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                              • Joe V31JP
                                I have one of Tom s MagPad iambic paddles. I tried/used a magnetic by TenTec at field day years ago and not impressed. Tom s impressed me! I am now saving
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                                  I have one of Tom's MagPad iambic paddles.  I tried/used a magnetic by TenTec at field day years ago and
                                  not impressed.  Tom's impressed me!  I am now saving up for his Olympic.  I have a Buzza 100 I am trying to
                                  squeeze in a restoration of, but as it is, a really nice feel and smooth sending double lever. I have been on
                                  the look out for a Vibroplex Double lever basket case and have missed two, argh!

                                  On 9/10/2013 1:19 PM, Fernando wrote:
                                   

                                  Hello


                                  He quoted me $220 plus shipping.

                                  He has sent a few pictures with pieces on the mill

                                  on the one he is making me.

                                  Expect a 30 day wait. Not bad since awhile ago

                                  I waited nearly a year for an OZ bug.


                                  Fernando N2FQ/6




                                  On Sep 10, 2013, at 10:51 AM, "D.J.J. Ring, Jr." <n1ea@...> wrote:



                                  Beautiful right angle bug, how much do they cost?

                                  I especially like the hex and locking nut arrangement, for precise adjustments.

                                  It is like others includding McElroy used.

                                  73

                                  DR
                                  N1EA

                                  On Sep 10, 2013 12:39 PM, "Fernando" <n2fq@...> wrote:


                                  Hello

                                  I received one in June and the exchange rate at

                                  that time came out to $315. Payment made to his

                                  daughter here in the states. Tom did an excellent job.

                                  I never had the pleasure of using a double lever

                                  and can say that errors still do occur, just like my other

                                  keys. hi.. 

                                  Waiting for delivery of one 90 degree bug from Donnie.

                                  Have a look.

                                   
                                  Fernando N2FQ/6




                                  On Sep 9, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Lee Young <k5ly@...> wrote:

                                  Yes, that Olympic is a truly beautiful Bug.
                                  The dots and dits sound remarkable.

                                  I'm afraid to ask the price.

                                  -- 
                                  Lee Young, K5LY
                                  ARRL Life member, CWops #1124, FISTS #15371, SKCC #7448, NAQCC #5451
                                  CW Forever!


                                  On Mon, 2013-09-09 at 16:42 -0700, TroyW6HV wrote:

                                  I just watched the video and the “OLYMPIC” is a truly beautiful bug.
                                  Sure wish I had one! I’ve never used a bug that was adjusted with
                                  magnetic controls.

                                  I am currently using my “Deluxe Model MAC Key” (C 1938). The slowest
                                  speed is about 23 WPM and I must add a few washers to slow it down to
                                  20 for the CW net. The weights for my Vibroplex bugs wont fit.

                                  73,
                                  Troy, W6HV

                                  From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. 
                                  Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:10 PM
                                  To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com 
                                  Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Different Vibroplex Bugs Characteristics



                                  G3HGE Tom Withers currently makes a very nice dual lever
                                  semi-automatic called  "OLYMPIC" that can send quite slowly.  You
                                  could contact him at TW Equipment in England, he could tell you how
                                  slowly it can send.

                                  I have serial number 001 of this key which I use on air. Double lever
                                  keys are easier to send with at about 35 wpm and faster because the
                                  dash lever is totally independant from the dot lever and can produce
                                  dashes following dots with better timing.

                                  73

                                  David
                                  N1EA







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                                • Romers Romansky
                                  Vizkey vertical bug plays beautifully at around 10 wpm or less with no additional weights. On the max end, slower than my vibroplexes but faster than than I ll
                                  Message 16 of 17 , Sep 12, 2013
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                                    Vizkey vertical bug plays beautifully at around 10 wpm or less with no additional weights. On the max end, slower than my vibroplexes but faster than than I'll ever be able to cleanly send. With a look.
                                    Best
                                    Jerome VA7VV

                                    Sent from my iPad

                                    On 2013-09-09, at 5:34 PM, Lee Young <k5ly@...> wrote:

                                     

                                    Yes, that Olympic is a truly beautiful Bug.
                                    The dots and dits sound remarkable.

                                    I'm afraid to ask the price.

                                    --
                                    Lee Young, K5LY
                                    ARRL Life member, CWops #1124, FISTS #15371, SKCC #7448, NAQCC #5451
                                    CW Forever!

                                    On Mon, 2013-09-09 at 16:42 -0700, TroyW6HV wrote:
                                    >
                                    > I just watched the video and the “OLYMPIC” is a truly beautiful bug.
                                    > Sure wish I had one! I’ve never used a bug that was adjusted with
                                    > magnetic controls.
                                    >
                                    > I am currently using my “Deluxe Model MAC Key” (C 1938). The slowest
                                    > speed is about 23 WPM and I must add a few washers to slow it down to
                                    > 20 for the CW net. The weights for my Vibroplex bugs wont fit.
                                    >
                                    > 73,
                                    > Troy, W6HV
                                    >
                                    > From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
                                    > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:10 PM
                                    > To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Different Vibroplex Bugs Characteristics
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > G3HGE Tom Withers currently makes a very nice dual lever
                                    > semi-automatic called "OLYMPIC" that can send quite slowly. You
                                    > could contact him at TW Equipment in England, he could tell you how
                                    > slowly it can send.
                                    >
                                    > I have serial number 001 of this key which I use on air. Double lever
                                    > keys are easier to send with at about 35 wpm and faster because the
                                    > dash lever is totally independant from the dot lever and can produce
                                    > dashes following dots with better timing.
                                    >
                                    > 73
                                    >
                                    > David
                                    > N1EA
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >

                                  • Benny Owens
                                    I LIKE MY VERTICAL VIZBUG AND MY 90 DEGREE VIZBUG. THEY ARE BOTH ON DISPLAY IN MY DEN IN THE BUG DISPLAY CABINET ALONG WITH MY VIBROPLEX AND OTHER BUGS. I
                                    Message 17 of 17 , Sep 13, 2013
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                                      I LIKE MY VERTICAL VIZBUG AND MY 90 DEGREE VIZBUG.  THEY ARE BOTH ON DISPLAY IN MY DEN IN THE BUG DISPLAY CABINET ALONG WITH MY VIBROPLEX AND OTHER BUGS.  I LIKED THE 90 DEGREE VIZPADDLE AND VIZBUG SO MUCH I ASKED FOR A COMBO UNIT WITH BOTH ON THE SAME BASE.  I USE IT EVERYDAY.  SEE THE PHOTO ON http://www.qrz.com/db/K5KV/

                                      THE COMBO BASE IS STABLE AND HAS NEVER MOVED A BIT IN USE.

                                      ONE THING I HAVE NOTICED ABOUT THE VIZ BUGS IS THE CONTACT DONT NEED CLEANING AS OFTEN AS OTHER BUGS DO.  TOM SEZ THEY ARE SILVER PLATED BUT IT KINDA LOOKS LIKE GOLD TO MY BAD EYES.  WHATEVER, IT WORKS AND WORKS LIKE THE EVERREADY BUNNY.

                                      73
                                      BENNY K5KV




                                      On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Romers Romansky <romansky2002@...> wrote:
                                       

                                      Vizkey vertical bug plays beautifully at around 10 wpm or less with no additional weights. On the max end, slower than my vibroplexes but faster than than I'll ever be able to cleanly send. With a look.
                                      Best
                                      Jerome VA7VV

                                      Sent from my iPad

                                      On 2013-09-09, at 5:34 PM, Lee Young <k5ly@...> wrote:

                                       

                                      Yes, that Olympic is a truly beautiful Bug.
                                      The dots and dits sound remarkable.

                                      I'm afraid to ask the price.

                                      --
                                      Lee Young, K5LY
                                      ARRL Life member, CWops #1124, FISTS #15371, SKCC #7448, NAQCC #5451
                                      CW Forever!

                                      On Mon, 2013-09-09 at 16:42 -0700, TroyW6HV wrote:
                                      >
                                      > I just watched the video and the “OLYMPIC” is a truly beautiful bug.
                                      > Sure wish I had one! I’ve never used a bug that was adjusted with
                                      > magnetic controls.
                                      >
                                      > I am currently using my “Deluxe Model MAC Key” (C 1938). The slowest
                                      > speed is about 23 WPM and I must add a few washers to slow it down to
                                      > 20 for the CW net. The weights for my Vibroplex bugs wont fit.
                                      >
                                      > 73,
                                      > Troy, W6HV
                                      >
                                      > From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
                                      > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 3:10 PM
                                      > To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Different Vibroplex Bugs Characteristics
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > G3HGE Tom Withers currently makes a very nice dual lever
                                      > semi-automatic called "OLYMPIC" that can send quite slowly. You
                                      > could contact him at TW Equipment in England, he could tell you how
                                      > slowly it can send.
                                      >
                                      > I have serial number 001 of this key which I use on air. Double lever
                                      > keys are easier to send with at about 35 wpm and faster because the
                                      > dash lever is totally independant from the dot lever and can produce
                                      > dashes following dots with better timing.
                                      >
                                      > 73
                                      >
                                      > David
                                      > N1EA
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >


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