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  • k4oso@aol.com
    In my opinion, it does nt make a lot of sense to DIY the damper and mainframe if the plater will do them all for only about $5 more than doing the base alone
    Message 1 of 13 , Oct 31, 2011
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      In my opinion, it does'nt make a lot of sense to DIY the damper and mainframe if the plater will do them all for only about $5 more than doing the base alone (thats what my guy quoted me before I decided to let him do it all).  The kit has to cost way more than that.  Unless you just want to say you did it.
      Milt
       
      In a message dated 10/31/2011 9:43:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, fretjock@... writes:
      Milt,
      Actually chrome plating requires a nickel base.  So chrome is one step more.
      So I think I'll use a professional for the base and the DIY kit for the small bits.
      Bill  wv1n
       
    • Joseph L Pontek
      Chrome requires two steps, Milt. Typically copper, then the chromium. Nickel can be done in one step, but copper first gives polished nickel a deeper shine,
      Message 2 of 13 , Oct 31, 2011
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        Chrome requires two steps, Milt.
        Typically copper, then the chromium.
        Nickel can be done in one step, but copper first gives
        polished nickel a deeper shine, supposedly.

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        On 10/31/2011 6:14 AM, k4oso wrote:
        > By the way Bill,
        > I had mine chromed which, I understand, is one less plating step.
        > Milt
        >
        > --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "William"<fretjock@...> wrote:
        >> Recently I picked up an old (1919) blue racer in serious need of some TLC. It was so rusty that I needed to lift up the name plate to discover that the base used to be nickel plated.
        >> With everything dismantled I was able to remove the rust from the base and now it is down to the base iron.
        >> I would like to replate the base but I'm not sure how to proceed. Has anyone every used a home DIY plating kit? Do professional platers do small pieces?
        >> Or should I just repaint it black or cobalt blue?
        >> Any thoughts or suggestions?
        >>
        >> Bill wv1n
        >>
        >> PS: I'll also need to replate the damper and front support.
        >>
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      • k4oso@aol.com
        I ll let you be the expert on the process, Joe. My Racer is all done and looking good. ha ha. It was not expensive and did not expose me to hazardous
        Message 3 of 13 , Oct 31, 2011
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          I'll let you be the expert on the process, Joe.  My Racer is all done and looking good. ha ha.  It was not expensive and did not expose me to hazardous chemicals.  Thats what I call a cool process.
          161, Milt
          In a message dated 10/31/2011 10:37:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, k8jp@... writes:
          Chrome requires two steps, Milt.
          Typically copper, then the chromium.
          Nickel can be done in one step, but copper first gives
          polished nickel a deeper shine, supposedly.
           
        • Joseph L Pontek
          When I bought my 1955 Blue Racer Deluxe, it was commented that there is minor pitting on the base, so I may have my base done. In 55 they did chrome, but not
          Message 4 of 13 , Oct 31, 2011
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            When I bought my 1955 Blue Racer Deluxe, it was commented that there is
            minor pitting on the base, so I may have my base done.  In '55 they did chrome,
            but not as good as today. For chrome, I recommend going to the shop for that.
            I only do the nickel at home as it is not hazardous.  Also, my 1912 upper parts
            were originally done in nickel and I am doing a restoration, hence the nickel
            plating and the base will be done in the old Japanning way with asphaltum,
            a lengthy, but well worth it process, I believe.

            I will see my 'new' keys tomorrow night when I get to my home in Texas.
            I am excited about that.  I will be getting my watchmakers lath as well.
            If the Blue Racer base needs to be re-chromed, I may try to have it done
            before I return home to Belize in three weeks.
            161, Joe, Ronnie(Rowena), Marty & Sidney Pontek
            P.O. Box 280, Dangriga, Stann Creek District
            (Hopkins Village) Belize
            011-501-503-7346 Belize
            011-501-666-3564 Belize (cellular)
            903-424-4267 (My cellular when in Texas)
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            On 10/31/2011 8:47 AM, k4oso@... wrote:
            I'll let you be the expert on the process, Joe.  My Racer is all done and looking good. ha ha.  It was not expensive and did not expose me to hazardous chemicals.  Thats what I call a cool process.
            161, Milt
            In a message dated 10/31/2011 10:37:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, k8jp@... writes:
            Chrome requires two steps, Milt.
            Typically copper, then the chromium.
            Nickel can be done in one step, but copper first gives
            polished nickel a deeper shine, supposedly.
             


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          • William Schmidt
            Joe, Where do you get asphaltum? Does the final result look different Than powder coat or enamel? Bill / wv1n Velo, ergo sum.
            Message 5 of 13 , Oct 31, 2011
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              Joe,
              Where do you get asphaltum?  Does the final result look different
              Than powder coat or enamel?
              Bill / wv1n

              Velo, ergo sum.

              On Oct 31, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Joseph L Pontek <k8jp@...> wrote:

               

              When I bought my 1955 Blue Racer Deluxe, it was commented that there is
              minor pitting on the base, so I may have my base done.  In '55 they did chrome,
              but not as good as today. For chrome, I recommend going to the shop for that.
              I only do the nickel at home as it is not hazardous.  Also, my 1912 upper parts
              were originally done in nickel and I am doing a restoration, hence the nickel
              plating and the base will be done in the old Japanning way with asphaltum,
              a lengthy, but well worth it process, I believe.

              I will see my 'new' keys tomorrow night when I get to my home in Texas.
              I am excited about that.  I will be getting my watchmakers lath as well.
              If the Blue Racer base needs to be re-chromed, I may try to have it done
              before I return home to Belize in three weeks.

              161, Joe, Ronnie(Rowena), Marty & Sidney Pontek
              P.O. Box 280, Dangriga, Stann Creek District
              (Hopkins Village) Belize
              011-501-503-7346 Belize
              011-501-666-3564 Belize (cellular)
              903-424-4267 (My cellular when in Texas)
              V31JP K8JP VP5/K8JP VP5JP K8JP/VA2
              FOC 1743 CWops 876, A1OP, SKCC 3171T, FISTS 7625 CC 951
              LotW
              Skype: v31joepalooka
              http://www.justanswer.com/lp-1eh8-tool-repair 

              On 10/31/2011 8:47 AM, k4oso@... wrote:
              I'll let you be the expert on the process, Joe.  My Racer is all done and looking good. ha ha.  It was not expensive and did not expose me to hazardous chemicals.  Thats what I call a cool process.
              161, Milt
              In a message dated 10/31/2011 10:37:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, k8jp@... writes:
              Chrome requires two steps, Milt.
              Typically copper, then the chromium.
              Nickel can be done in one step, but copper first gives
              polished nickel a deeper shine, supposedly.
               


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            • Joseph L Pontek
              Hi, Bill. Sorry to take so long to reply. I had to finish the November News Sheet for the FOC and now I am packing for the trip to Texas tomorrow. I found
              Message 6 of 13 , Oct 31, 2011
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                Hi, Bill.

                Sorry to take so long to reply.  I had to finish the November News Sheet for the FOC
                and now I am packing for the trip to Texas tomorrow.

                I found asphaltum on E-Bay and just bid on it.  You can find it liquid form as varnish.
                I am going to try and do it the traditional way.  I have had some guys tell me the
                powder coating are good, but I cannot say myself.  The enamels can be good if
                the surface is properly prepared and it is baked as well.  I used to go body work
                back in the 50s and 60s, so I remember the hard work involved in surface preparation
                before painting.  Asphaltum is, basically, a black varnish. Proper formulas abound,
                but Bill, W4PAL, recommends 2 parts boiled linseed oil, 5 parts turpentine, 3 parts
                asphaltum powder and optional 3 parts rosin.  The rosin appears to sometimes
                gives a less smoother finish then without it.  I will go without it myself this time.
                Bill says it takes a minimum of 5 coats for a good finish.  After these, you will have
                hard plastic like coating.  Do a Google search for it.  Bill's book lists a source,
                but they are out of business.  It is used for art work and printing as well.  I think
                Model-T Fords were painted with it.  It rarely wears off, but is chipped away.

                If you want what I call the bible of key restoration, get the "HOW TO RESTORE
                TELEGRAPH KEYS" by W. R. Smith.  I just got mine out of my suit case as it
                is book I constantly read and reread.

                http://www.wrsmithtelegraphkeys.com
                or
                http://w1tp.com/mwr.htm








                161, Joe, Ronnie(Rowena), Marty & Sidney Pontek
                P.O. Box 280, Dangriga, Stann Creek District
                (Hopkins Village) Belize
                011-501-503-7346 Belize
                011-501-666-3564 Belize (cellular)
                903-424-4267 (My cellular when in Texas)
                V31JP K8JP VP5/K8JP VP5JP K8JP/VA2
                FOC 1743 CWops 876, A1OP, SKCC 3171T, FISTS 7625 CC 951
                LotW
                Skype: v31joepalooka
                http://www.justanswer.com/lp-1eh8-tool-repair 

                On 10/31/2011 4:22 PM, William Schmidt wrote:
                Joe,
                Where do you get asphaltum?  Does the final result look different
                Than powder coat or enamel?
                Bill / wv1n

                Velo, ergo sum.

                On Oct 31, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Joseph L Pontek <k8jp@...> wrote:

                 

                When I bought my 1955 Blue Racer Deluxe, it was commented that there is
                minor pitting on the base, so I may have my base done.  In '55 they did chrome,
                but not as good as today. For chrome, I recommend going to the shop for that.
                I only do the nickel at home as it is not hazardous.  Also, my 1912 upper parts
                were originally done in nickel and I am doing a restoration, hence the nickel
                plating and the base will be done in the old Japanning way with asphaltum,
                a lengthy, but well worth it process, I believe.

                I will see my 'new' keys tomorrow night when I get to my home in Texas.
                I am excited about that.  I will be getting my watchmakers lath as well.
                If the Blue Racer base needs to be re-chromed, I may try to have it done
                before I return home to Belize in three weeks.

                161, Joe, Ronnie(Rowena), Marty & Sidney Pontek
                P.O. Box 280, Dangriga, Stann Creek District
                (Hopkins Village) Belize
                011-501-503-7346 Belize
                011-501-666-3564 Belize (cellular)
                903-424-4267 (My cellular when in Texas)
                V31JP K8JP VP5/K8JP VP5JP K8JP/VA2
                FOC 1743 CWops 876, A1OP, SKCC 3171T, FISTS 7625 CC 951
                LotW
                Skype: v31joepalooka
                http://www.justanswer.com/lp-1eh8-tool-repair 

                On 10/31/2011 8:47 AM, k4oso@... wrote:
                I'll let you be the expert on the process, Joe.  My Racer is all done and looking good. ha ha.  It was not expensive and did not expose me to hazardous chemicals.  Thats what I call a cool process.
                161, Milt
                In a message dated 10/31/2011 10:37:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, k8jp@... writes:
                Chrome requires two steps, Milt.
                Typically copper, then the chromium.
                Nickel can be done in one step, but copper first gives
                polished nickel a deeper shine, supposedly.
                 


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