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  • Jerry
    I purchased a Vibroplex on E Bay several years ago.. Serial # *62110* is the Plate that is on it. The Serial # on the Box..is *62724* ? The Seller indicated
    Message 1 of 9 , Sep 7, 2011
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      I purchased a Vibroplex on E Bay several years ago.. Serial # 62110 is the Plate that is on it.  The Serial # on the Box..is 62724 ?  The Seller indicated that he had contacted Vibroplex regarding this.. and they issued another plate with the matching Serial # to the Box ! So.. I have one 'Vibroplex Iambic..that came with two different plates ! Sounds a little suspicious to me..I am thinking there is either 'one out there somewhere missing a plate'..or it was used for Parts ! I just recently purchased a second 'Identical Iambic' to 62724 ..also a  'Deluxe Model'.. Serial # 42724.. 'What are the Odds of That' !!
      OK.. Iambics are 'not Bugs'.. but I found them easier to Master ! 73
      Jerry
      VE6CPP VE6Jee/p


      On 9/6/2011 9:37 PM, k4oso@... wrote:
       

      Not all Vibroplexes used rivets to hold the nameplate.  Some were held in place by adhesive. 
      Theory has it that some (?) "plateless" bugs were what was known as "lunchbox keys".  Since nameplates bore serial numbers, they were easily accounted for, whereas keys (more likely parts) were more difficult to keep track of.
      161, Milt k4oso
       
      In a message dated 9/6/2011 10:51:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, k8jp@... writes:

      There are various demises for those plates and you mentioned one, but seldom that.
      Some would be put on another item for decorative purposes, like a key case.
        Some
      are destroyed when someone tries to do a refurbish and know not what they
      are doing (most common cause of loss) and some actually did not have a label,
      but those are few.

      161, Joe, Ronnie(Rowena), Marty & Sidney Pontek
       
    • k4oso
      I think the only conclusion one could draw is there is another Iambic out there with the serial number 62724...in a box labeled 62110!! Milt
      Message 2 of 9 , Sep 7, 2011
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        I think the only conclusion one could draw is there is another Iambic out there with the serial number 62724...in a box labeled 62110!!
        Milt

        --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, Jerry <jer.sieg@...> wrote:
        >
        > I purchased a Vibroplex on E Bay several years ago.. Serial # *62110* is
        > the Plate that is on it. The Serial # on the Box..is *62724* ? The
        > Seller indicated that he had contacted Vibroplex regarding this.. and
        > they issued another plate with the matching Serial # to the Box ! So.. I
        > have one 'Vibroplex Iambic..that came with two different plates ! Sounds
        > a little suspicious to me..I am thinking there is either 'one out there
        > somewhere missing a plate'..or it was used for Parts ! I just recently
        > purchased a second 'Identical Iambic' to *62724 *..also a 'Deluxe
        > Model'.. Serial # *42724*.. 'What are the Odds of That' !!
        > OK.. Iambics are 'not Bugs'.. but I found them easier to Master ! 73
        > Jerry
        > VE6CPP VE6Jee/p
        >
        >
        > On 9/6/2011 9:37 PM, k4oso@... wrote:
        > >
        > > Not all Vibroplexes used rivets to hold the nameplate. Some were held
        > > in place by adhesive.
        > > Theory has it that some (?) "plateless" bugs were what was known as
        > > "lunchbox keys". Since nameplates bore serial numbers, they were
        > > easily accounted for, whereas keys (more likely parts) were more
        > > difficult to keep track of.
        > > 161, Milt k4oso
        > > In a message dated 9/6/2011 10:51:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
        > > k8jp@... writes:
        > >
        > > There are various demises for those plates and you mentioned one,
        > > but seldom that.
        > > Some would be put on another item for decorative purposes, like a
        > > key case. Some
        > > are destroyed when someone tries to do a refurbish and know not
        > > what they
        > > are doing (most common cause of loss) and some actually did not
        > > have a label,
        > > but those are few.
        > >
        > > 161, Joe, Ronnie(Rowena), Marty& Sidney Pontek
        > >
        > >
        >
      • Jerry
        OK.. That makes Sense too ! Should I put out an Amber Alert .. Missing.. Iambic Key Box with Serial # 62724 ! ;o) (But I do have the Plate Serial # 62724
        Message 3 of 9 , Sep 7, 2011
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          OK.. That makes Sense too !  Should I put out an 'Amber Alert' .. 'Missing.. Iambic Key Box with Serial # 62724 !  ;o)
          (But I do have the Plate Serial # 62724 too !)   Just Glued On ones then.. !
          I started considering 'Collecting Old Vibroplex Keys'.. but, Oh so Many of them !
          They are surely the 'Swiss Watches' of Keys I must admit !  I also have 'All of Dave, K4TWJ's Books on collecting Keys.. I was shocked when I saw just 'How Many were manufactured over the years !
          Any other books out there for the 'Novice Key Collector' ?

          On 9/7/2011 12:04 PM, k4oso wrote:
           

          I think the only conclusion one could draw is there is another Iambic out there with the serial number 62724...in a box labeled 62110!!
          Milt

          --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, Jerry <jer.sieg@...> wrote:
          >
          > I purchased a Vibroplex on E Bay several years ago.. Serial # *62110* is
          > the Plate that is on it. The Serial # on the Box..is *62724* ? The
          > Seller indicated that he had contacted Vibroplex regarding this.. and
          > they issued another plate with the matching Serial # to the Box ! So.. I
          > have one 'Vibroplex Iambic..that came with two different plates ! Sounds
          > a little suspicious to me..I am thinking there is either 'one out there
          > somewhere missing a plate'..or it was used for Parts ! I just recently
          > purchased a second 'Identical Iambic' to *62724 *..also a 'Deluxe
          > Model'.. Serial # *42724*.. 'What are the Odds of That' !!
          > OK.. Iambics are 'not Bugs'.. but I found them easier to Master ! 73
          > Jerry
          > VE6CPP VE6Jee/p
          >
          >
          > On 9/6/2011 9:37 PM, k4oso@... wrote:
          > >
          > > Not all Vibroplexes used rivets to hold the nameplate. Some were held
          > > in place by adhesive.
          > > Theory has it that some (?) "plateless" bugs were what was known as
          > > "lunchbox keys". Since nameplates bore serial numbers, they were
          > > easily accounted for, whereas keys (more likely parts) were more
          > > difficult to keep track of.
          > > 161, Milt k4oso
          > > In a message dated 9/6/2011 10:51:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
          > > k8jp@... writes:
          > >
          > > There are various demises for those plates and you mentioned one,
          > > but seldom that.
          > > Some would be put on another item for decorative purposes, like a
          > > key case. Some
          > > are destroyed when someone tries to do a refurbish and know not
          > > what they
          > > are doing (most common cause of loss) and some actually did not
          > > have a label,
          > > but those are few.
          > >
          > > 161, Joe, Ronnie(Rowena), Marty& Sidney Pontek
          > >
          > >
          >

        • William
          Well, right now on ebay there is a 1912 orginal, an original deluxe, an orginal standard and a #4 blue racer all without name plates. None of them were
          Message 4 of 9 , Sep 7, 2011
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            Well, right now on ebay there is a 1912 orginal, an original deluxe, an orginal standard and a #4 blue racer all without name plates. None of them were Lightnings or J36's.
            Your comments about clones is interesting. The 1912 bug looks good and has a serial number stamped on the damper. But who knows, maybe it's a clinker.

            Bill,WV1N

            --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Maas" <just.one.hill@...> wrote:
            >
            > Not wure what you are referring to. I have not seen a large number of Vibroplex keys without plates. Yes, some of the recent keys had stick-on nameplates, but doubt if that is what you mean. No, I haven't seen any significant number of new bugs with old plates, and further, doing that would be absolutely obvious to any collector, and would not enhance value. In fact, old keys unless a rare model aren't valuable anyway.
            >
            > Most Vibroplex keys missing plates aren't Vibroplex keys. One frequent candidate is the Lionel J-36 from WW II. 37,000 of these were made, they are extremely common, there is almost always several for sale at any given time, and I have no idea why anyone would pay more than a few dollars for one. They never had a Vibroplex style plate. They had a celluloid piece of black plastic the UV'd and shrivelled up, held on by five pins, easily recognizable on a Lightning-like bug.
            >
            > During the early days there were clones, we're talking nineteen-teens here. Such clones were illegal and Vibroplex got Western union to outlaw them on the line, hence the plates were removed and thrown away. Vibroplex made users of them buy a JE Albright name plate before they could be used on the line.
            >
            > Later after the patents ran out, late twenties, Speed-X produced similar keys, which were not Vibroplex, without labels.
            >
            > nearly all keys I see without labels fall into one of the above catagories, though recently there were two Shwaplex keys without lables, those are actually rare, interesting to some collectors, though I don't know why since they are not much different.
            >
            > Perhaps, hope, something here might have been helpful?
            >
            > 73, Fred - kt5x
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: William
            > To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 8:36 PM
            > Subject: [cw_bugs] Missing name plates
            >
            >
            >
            > Lately I have been looking at the vibroplexes for sale on ebay and I have noticed a large number of them are missing the vibroplex name plates.
            > Most of these plates are held on with pins that are unlikely to fall out by themselves. Does anyone have an idea what happens to these things? Are older plates put on newer bugs to increase their collectable value?
            > Bill,WV1N
            >
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