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  • Michael MacLeod
    I ve yet to see any of Freds craftsmanship that looks remotely hacked.I share Freds annoyance with the amount of adjustment to the key that putting on/taking
    Message 1 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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      I've yet to see any of Freds craftsmanship that looks remotely hacked.

      I share Freds annoyance with the amount of adjustment to the key that putting on/taking off an extendadot or similar devices that move the pendulum towards the dot contact.


      His modification appears to be very worthwhile.


      Regards


      Michael - MM1EWA/KD0LEJ 


      --- On Tue, 16/11/10, ve3akv <ve3akv@...> wrote:

      From: ve3akv <ve3akv@...>
      Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Suggestion
      To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Tuesday, 16 November, 2010, 0:48

       

      Hello to all...

      Respectfully...

      Frank, W7IS does in fact sell the extendadot system and has been for several years.

      I have been using his system on several of my faster bugs for some time now and I'm very satisfied with the materials, design and performance of his product.

      As I understand it, no one specifically asked him to build a device for the masses but he took it upon himself to do just that. The extendadot is a refreshingly simple yet well thought out design.

      I for one, have no issue re-adjusting a bug and can accomplish this feat in under a minute. Adding the extendadot arm and subsequent adjustments, was/were no problem for me.

      I also believe removing one side of the tube not only ruined the original design but likely created a "hack" look that I would certainly never display to anyone. I think I would be embarrased to show something like that publicly. If one had run it through a C&C machine and could produce your enhanced design over an over again, then maybe one might would consider it not a "hack".

      Mr. Mass, I would like to think that Frank will respect your opinion as to his designs but, don't be surprised if he doesn't send you another example to critique. Then again, with Frank, maybe he'd send you another because that's the type of gentleman he is.

      Well... that should get the "group" going again I'd say!

      Again, respectfully...

      Bob
      VE3AKV

      --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Maas" <just.one.hill@...> wrote:
      >
      > Let's make some CHATTER here... ;-)
      >
      >
      > Fellow bug aficionados (who likely spell better than I do) ... I expect many of you are familiar with both Frank, W7IS, and his Extenda-Dot. I don't know if he is selling these are not, but may. Anyway, he kindly sent me one for my opinion.
      >
      > Well, frankly, (sorry), Frankly, I wasn't satisfied with it. (Not that it isn't a great idea that works, but I am rarely satisfied with anything as it arrives ;-) The bug had to be completely readjusted to put it on or off. When in use, the whole lever was canted to the side because of the thickness of the barrel of the extenda-dot between the lever and the damper.
      >
      > But Frank was adamant that this thing much improved the quality of the dits made by spreading the weight out across the length of the vibrating lever. I decided to modify the device. I put it lengthwise into a vise (maybe it's a vice, but I digress), and filed away one side of the tube, such that when installed, the damper wheel can rest against the lever itself, not the tube.
      >
      > Results:
      >
      > * it goes on and off a bug without a need to readjust the bug.
      >
      > * The trombone effect can extend the lever a lot thus slowing the bug as much as one could ever want. In fact, with one small weight up near the vibrator, and one small (aluminum) weight at the far end, most of my bugs will slow to 15 wpm or speed to 40 wpm, varies by bug, but typical. I can hardly expect that isn't a good range for almost anyone.
      >
      > * the quality of dits made by this arrangement is an improvement for any bug I have tried.
      >
      > I am attaching photos of the arrangement which shows the extenda-dot in case you aren't familiar, my filing modification, and how it looks on a lever. The bug shown, not much is visible in the close-up, is a 1910 Double-Lever. But the bugs I LOVE it on are the Racers and the Juniors which have shorter levers on which to locate weights, and are thus typically, a bit fast.
      >
      > 73, Fred KT5X
      >
      > WWW.KT5X.COM
      >
      > P.S. 'Nother suggestion: I plug all my bugs in to the rig through a single cable. I have a large cap on that cable, across the bug contacts. There is always a scratchiness with rubbing contacts, and the new solid state radios are so fast, they try to follow it. The loading of the capacitor is all it takes to eliminate this problem. One capacitor on the bug cable takes care of all bugs, no need to mount a cap on each bug.
      >


    • k4oso@aol.com
      Respectfully, It seems to me Fred has found a way to make a good thing even better, and much easier to use and remove without extra adjustments. Many times,
      Message 2 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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        Respectfully,
        It seems to me Fred has found a way to make a good thing even better, and much easier to use and remove without extra adjustments.  Many times, the first prototype of a maching/tool has somewhat of a "hack" look, to be refined in the finished product.  That is not a negative thing.  If the product works better, I think its a cause for celebration. 
        Congratulations to Frank for his super idea, and to Fred for a refinement that makes that idea even better.  Now, on to the polishers and finishers for that "showroom" look.
         
        73, Milt k4oso
         
        In a message dated 11/15/2010 4:48:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, ve3akv@... writes:
        Hello to all...

        Respectfully...

        Frank, W7IS does in fact sell the extendadot system and has been for several years.

        I have been using his system on several of my faster bugs for some time now and I'm very satisfied with the materials, design and performance of his product.

        As I understand it, no one specifically asked him to build a device for the masses but he took it upon himself to do just that. The extendadot is a refreshingly simple yet well thought out design.

        I for one, have no issue re-adjusting a bug and can accomplish this feat in under a minute. Adding the extendadot arm and subsequent adjustments, was/were no problem for me.

        I also believe removing one side of the tube not only ruined the original design but likely created a "hack" look that I would certainly never display to anyone. I think I would be embarrased to show something like that publicly. If one had run it through a C&C machine and could produce your enhanced design over an over again, then maybe one might would consider it not a "hack".

        Mr. Mass, I would like to think that Frank will respect your opinion as to his designs but, don't be surprised if he doesn't send you another example to critique. Then again, with Frank, maybe he'd send you another because that's the type of gentleman he is.

        Well... that should get the "group" going again I'd say!

        Again, respectfully...

        Bob
        VE3AKV
         
      • k4oso@aol.com
        Thanks, Mike for the great explanation of how the labelling works. 73, Milt k4oso In a message dated 11/15/2010 4:05:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
        Message 3 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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          Thanks, Mike for the great explanation of how the labelling works. 
          73, Milt k4oso
           
          In a message dated 11/15/2010 4:05:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, mike.ab3ap@... writes:
          Small value capacitors are labeled in pF (x10^-12 F), and the power of
          ten is indicated by the third digit. So the common 104, for example, is
          read as two digit value and a power of ten exponent. E.g.,

          104 = 10 x 10^4 pF
          = 100000 x 10^-12 F
          = 10^-7 F
          = 10^-1 x 10^-6 F
          = 0.1 uF

          Tolerance and other info is indicated by additional letters.

          Happy capping! :-) 73,
          Mike ab3ap
           
        • Fred Maas
          Actually, Frank said he did the same thing, but preferred the simpler way. It doesn t look like anything, as you can t see it unless looking for it with a
          Message 4 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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            Actually, Frank said he did the same thing, but preferred the simpler way.  It doesn't look like anything, as you can't see it unless looking for it with a magnifying glass ha-hah!
             
            Good luck, Pal,
             
            73  Fred
             
             
             
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: ve3akv
            Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 5:48 PM
            Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Suggestion

             

            Hello to all...

            Respectfully...

            Frank, W7IS does in fact sell the extendadot system and has been for several years.

            I have been using his system on several of my faster bugs for some time now and I'm very satisfied with the materials, design and performance of his product.

            As I understand it, no one specifically asked him to build a device for the masses but he took it upon himself to do just that. The extendadot is a refreshingly simple yet well thought out design.

            I for one, have no issue re-adjusting a bug and can accomplish this feat in under a minute. Adding the extendadot arm and subsequent adjustments, was/were no problem for me.

            I also believe removing one side of the tube not only ruined the original design but likely created a "hack" look that I would certainly never display to anyone. I think I would be embarrased to show something like that publicly. If one had run it through a C&C machine and could produce your enhanced design over an over again, then maybe one might would consider it not a "hack".

            Mr. Mass, I would like to think that Frank will respect your opinion as to his designs but, don't be surprised if he doesn't send you another example to critique. Then again, with Frank, maybe he'd send you another because that's the type of gentleman he is.

            Well... that should get the "group" going again I'd say!

            Again, respectfully...

            Bob
            VE3AKV

            --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Maas" <just.one.hill@...> wrote:
            >
            > Let's make some CHATTER here... ;-)
            >
            >
            > Fellow bug aficionados (who likely spell better than I do) ... I expect many of you are familiar with both Frank, W7IS, and his Extenda-Dot. I don't know if he is selling these are not, but may. Anyway, he kindly sent me one for my opinion.
            >
            > Well, frankly, (sorry), Frankly, I wasn't satisfied with it. (Not that it isn't a great idea that works, but I am rarely satisfied with anything as it arrives ;-) The bug had to be completely readjusted to put it on or off. When in use, the whole lever was canted to the side because of the thickness of the barrel of the extenda-dot between the lever and the damper.
            >
            > But Frank was adamant that this thing much improved the quality of the dits made by spreading the weight out across the length of the vibrating lever. I decided to modify the device. I put it lengthwise into a vise (maybe it's a vice, but I digress), and filed away one side of the tube, such that when installed, the damper wheel can rest against the lever itself, not the tube.
            >
            > Results:
            >
            > * it goes on and off a bug without a need to readjust the bug.
            >
            > * The trombone effect can extend the lever a lot thus slowing the bug as much as one could ever want. In fact, with one small weight up near the vibrator, and one small (aluminum) weight at the far end, most of my bugs will slow to 15 wpm or speed to 40 wpm, varies by bug, but typical. I can hardly expect that isn't a good range for almost anyone.
            >
            > * the quality of dits made by this arrangement is an improvement for any bug I have tried.
            >
            > I am attaching photos of the arrangement which shows the extenda-dot in case you aren't familiar, my filing modification, and how it looks on a lever. The bug shown, not much is visible in the close-up, is a 1910 Double-Lever. But the bugs I LOVE it on are the Racers and the Juniors which have shorter levers on which to locate weights, and are thus typically, a bit fast.
            >
            > 73, Fred KT5X
            >
            > WWW.KT5X.COM
            >
            > P.S. 'Nother suggestion: I plug all my bugs in to the rig through a single cable. I have a large cap on that cable, across the bug contacts. There is always a scratchiness with rubbing contacts, and the new solid state radios are so fast, they try to follow it. The loading of the capacitor is all it takes to eliminate this problem. One capacitor on the bug cable takes care of all bugs, no need to mount a cap on each bug.
            >

          • ve3akv
            Fred... Ok...I know when to cut some slack. Regards, 73 - Bob
            Message 5 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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              Fred...

              Ok...I know when to cut some slack.

              Regards,

              73 - Bob

              --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Maas" <just.one.hill@...> wrote:
              >
              > Actually, Frank said he did the same thing, but preferred the simpler way. It doesn't look like anything, as you can't see it unless looking for it with a magnifying glass ha-hah!
              >
              > Good luck, Pal,
              >
              > 73 Fred
              >
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: ve3akv
              > To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 5:48 PM
              > Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Suggestion
              >
              >
              >
              > Hello to all...
              >
              > Respectfully...
              >
              > Frank, W7IS does in fact sell the extendadot system and has been for several years.
              >
              > I have been using his system on several of my faster bugs for some time now and I'm very satisfied with the materials, design and performance of his product.
              >
              > As I understand it, no one specifically asked him to build a device for the masses but he took it upon himself to do just that. The extendadot is a refreshingly simple yet well thought out design.
              >
              > I for one, have no issue re-adjusting a bug and can accomplish this feat in under a minute. Adding the extendadot arm and subsequent adjustments, was/were no problem for me.
              >
              > I also believe removing one side of the tube not only ruined the original design but likely created a "hack" look that I would certainly never display to anyone. I think I would be embarrased to show something like that publicly. If one had run it through a C&C machine and could produce your enhanced design over an over again, then maybe one might would consider it not a "hack".
              >
              > Mr. Mass, I would like to think that Frank will respect your opinion as to his designs but, don't be surprised if he doesn't send you another example to critique. Then again, with Frank, maybe he'd send you another because that's the type of gentleman he is.
              >
              > Well... that should get the "group" going again I'd say!
              >
              > Again, respectfully...
              >
              > Bob
              > VE3AKV
              >
              > --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Maas" <just.one.hill@> wrote:
              > >
              > > Let's make some CHATTER here... ;-)
              > >
              > >
              > > Fellow bug aficionados (who likely spell better than I do) ... I expect many of you are familiar with both Frank, W7IS, and his Extenda-Dot. I don't know if he is selling these are not, but may. Anyway, he kindly sent me one for my opinion.
              > >
              > > Well, frankly, (sorry), Frankly, I wasn't satisfied with it. (Not that it isn't a great idea that works, but I am rarely satisfied with anything as it arrives ;-) The bug had to be completely readjusted to put it on or off. When in use, the whole lever was canted to the side because of the thickness of the barrel of the extenda-dot between the lever and the damper.
              > >
              > > But Frank was adamant that this thing much improved the quality of the dits made by spreading the weight out across the length of the vibrating lever. I decided to modify the device. I put it lengthwise into a vise (maybe it's a vice, but I digress), and filed away one side of the tube, such that when installed, the damper wheel can rest against the lever itself, not the tube.
              > >
              > > Results:
              > >
              > > * it goes on and off a bug without a need to readjust the bug.
              > >
              > > * The trombone effect can extend the lever a lot thus slowing the bug as much as one could ever want. In fact, with one small weight up near the vibrator, and one small (aluminum) weight at the far end, most of my bugs will slow to 15 wpm or speed to 40 wpm, varies by bug, but typical. I can hardly expect that isn't a good range for almost anyone.
              > >
              > > * the quality of dits made by this arrangement is an improvement for any bug I have tried.
              > >
              > > I am attaching photos of the arrangement which shows the extenda-dot in case you aren't familiar, my filing modification, and how it looks on a lever. The bug shown, not much is visible in the close-up, is a 1910 Double-Lever. But the bugs I LOVE it on are the Racers and the Juniors which have shorter levers on which to locate weights, and are thus typically, a bit fast.
              > >
              > > 73, Fred KT5X
              > >
              > > WWW.KT5X.COM
              > >
              > > P.S. 'Nother suggestion: I plug all my bugs in to the rig through a single cable. I have a large cap on that cable, across the bug contacts. There is always a scratchiness with rubbing contacts, and the new solid state radios are so fast, they try to follow it. The loading of the capacitor is all it takes to eliminate this problem. One capacitor on the bug cable takes care of all bugs, no need to mount a cap on each bug.
              > >
              >
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