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  • k4oso@aol.com
    Cool beans, Fred. I ve been using a cap on each bug (and switching around since I don t have enough caps). I m gonna implement that one (sp?) right away.
    Message 1 of 18 , Nov 14, 2010
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      Cool beans, Fred.  I've been using a cap on each bug (and switching around since I don't have enough caps).  I'm gonna implement that one (sp?) right away.
      Tnx, Milt k4oso
       
      In a message dated 11/14/2010 10:04:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, just.one.hill@... writes:
      P.S.  'Nother suggestion:  I plug all my bugs in to the rig through a single cable.  I have a large cap on that cable, across the bug contacts.  There is always a scratchiness with rubbing contacts, and the new solid state radios are so fast, they try to follow it.  The loading of the capacitor is all it takes to eliminate this problem.  One capacitor on the bug cable takes care of all bugs, no need to mount a cap on each bug.
       
    • Fred Maas
      Sometimes things seem so obvious AFTER one thinks of it, hi hi! I mount a jack on a little piece of perfboard on each key, then changing keys is as easy as
      Message 2 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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        Sometimes things seem so obvious AFTER one thinks of it, hi hi!
         
        I mount a jack on a little piece of perfboard on each key, then changing keys is as easy as plug-in.  I have thought of two easy ways for jack mounting.  One is a small piece of perfbaord with two holes the distance apart of the binding posts.  The other, that I haven't done yet, but will with my next restoration project, is one that mounts to the two screws that hold the damper, such that the jack is against the back of the base.
         
        Fred
         

         

        Cool beans, Fred.  I've been using a cap on each bug (and switching around since I don't have enough caps).  I'm gonna implement that one (sp?) right away.
        Tnx, Milt k4oso
         
        In a message dated 11/14/2010 10:04:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, just.one.hill@... writes:
        P.S.  'Nother suggestion:  I plug all my bugs in to the rig through a single cable.  I have a large cap on that cable, across the bug contacts.  There is always a scratchiness with rubbing contacts, and the new solid state radios are so fast, they try to follow it.  The loading of the capacitor is all it takes to eliminate this problem.  One capacitor on the bug cable takes care of all bugs, no need to mount a cap on each bug.
         

      • Merv Schweigert
        If using a vintage bug for CW work, heres one to try, copy the original set up in a telegraph station, mount a straight key of that vinatge for your pumper,
        Message 3 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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          If using a vintage bug for CW work,  heres one to try,  copy the original
          set up in a telegraph station,  mount a straight key of that vinatge for
          your pumper,  it will have the strip contact on it already that the bug
          plugs into,   then equip each bug with the cord and wedge that was
          used with it originally,  just slide the bug over and plug it into the
          straight keys contact.   Probably many dont know that is why the
          contact strip is on the top of the straight key in the first place. 
          If you were a telegrapher of CW op of that era you furnished your
          own key,  and most took it home every day in a case,  when you
          got to work you just plugged into the existing furnished straight
          key and away you went.  
          I do it for grins to preserve the nostalgia of the bugs,   bugs were
          telegraph instruments mainly. 
          Or for real fun hook up a telegraph sounder to the audio of your
          radio and copy the CW from the sounder,  be sure and use a
          tobacco can to amplify the clicks and impart the real sound of
          telegraph. 
          Sorry guess that shows my age to remember seeing and hearing
          the real thing.  73 Merv K9FD
          Sometimes things seem so obvious AFTER one thinks of it, hi hi!
           
          I mount a jack on a little piece of perfboard on each key, then changing keys is as easy as plug-in.  I have thought of two easy ways for jack mounting.  One is a small piece of perfbaord with two holes the distance apart of the binding posts.  The other, that I haven't done yet, but will with my next restoration project, is one that mounts to the two screws that hold the damper, such that the jack is against the back of the base.
           
          Fred
           

           

          Cool beans, Fred.  I've been using a cap on each bug (and switching around since I don't have enough caps).  I'm gonna implement that one (sp?) right away.
          Tnx, Milt k4oso
           
          In a message dated 11/14/2010 10:04:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, just.one.hill@... writes:
          P.S.  'Nother suggestion:  I plug all my bugs in to the rig through a single cable.  I have a large cap on that cable, across the bug contacts.  There is always a scratchiness with rubbing contacts, and the new solid state radios are so fast, they try to follow it.  The loading of the capacitor is all it takes to eliminate this problem.  One capacitor on the bug cable takes care of all bugs, no need to mount a cap on each bug.
           

        • Jim Garrison
          Hello Milt: What value capacitor do you use across the bug contacts? Just curious...thanks es73, Jim K5M ________________________________ From:
          Message 4 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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            Hello Milt:  What value capacitor do you use across the bug contacts?  Just curious...thanks es73,
            Jim
            K5M



            From: "k4oso@..." <k4oso@...>
            To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 5:52:34 PM
            Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Suggestion

             

            Cool beans, Fred.  I've been using a cap on each bug (and switching around since I don't have enough caps).  I'm gonna implement that one (sp?) right away.
            Tnx, Milt k4oso
             
            In a message dated 11/14/2010 10:04:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, just.one.hill@... writes:
            P.S.  'Nother suggestion:  I plug all my bugs in to the rig through a single cable.  I have a large cap on that cable, across the bug contacts.  There is always a scratchiness with rubbing contacts, and the new solid state radios are so fast, they try to follow it.  The loading of the capacitor is all it takes to eliminate this problem.  One capacitor on the bug cable takes care of all bugs, no need to mount a cap on each bug.
             

          • k4oso@aol.com
            Hi Jim, I use a 104M, which is .001 microfarad cap. 73, Milt In a message dated 11/15/2010 2:03:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, jamesgarrisonart@yahoo.com writes:
            Message 5 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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              Hi Jim,
              I use a 104M, which is .001 microfarad cap.
              73, Milt
               
              In a message dated 11/15/2010 2:03:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, jamesgarrisonart@... writes:
              Hello Milt:  What value capacitor do you use across the bug contacts?  Just curious...thanks es73,
              Jim
              K5M
               
            • Fred Maas
              I use a .1 to get enough capcity to take some doing to discharge between stratches. Fred Hi Jim, I use a 104M, which is .001 microfarad cap. 73, Milt In a
              Message 6 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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                I use a .1 to get enough capcity to take some doing to discharge between stratches.
                 
                Fred
                 
                 

                Hi Jim,
                I use a 104M, which is .001 microfarad cap.
                73, Milt
                 
                In a message dated 11/15/2010 2:03:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, jamesgarrisonart@... writes:
                Hello Milt:  What value capacitor do you use across the bug contacts?  Just curious...thanks es73,
                Jim
                K5M
                 

              • w9ya
                Um...no; 102 would be a .001 104 **is** a .1 - Bob w9ya
                Message 7 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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                  Um...no;

                  102 would be a .001

                  104 **is** a .1

                  - Bob
                  w9ya

                  On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 3:32 PM, <k4oso@...> wrote:


                  Hi Jim,
                  I use a 104M, which is .001 microfarad cap.
                  73, Milt
                   
                  In a message dated 11/15/2010 2:03:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, jamesgarrisonart@... writes:
                  Hello Milt:  What value capacitor do you use across the bug contacts?  Just curious...thanks es73,
                  Jim
                  K5M
                   



                • Jim Garrison
                  Thanks to all. Jim K5MSY http://www.youtube.com/user/k5msy ________________________________ From: w9ya To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com Sent:
                  Message 8 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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                    Thanks to all.

                    Jim
                    K5MSY
                    http://www.youtube.com/user/k5msy


                    From: w9ya <w9ya@...>
                    To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Mon, November 15, 2010 6:03:31 PM
                    Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Suggestion

                     

                    Um...no;


                    102 would be a .001

                    104 **is** a .1

                    - Bob
                    w9ya

                    On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 3:32 PM, <k4oso@...> wrote:


                    Hi Jim,
                    I use a 104M, which is .001 microfarad cap.
                    73, Milt
                     
                    In a message dated 11/15/2010 2:03:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, jamesgarrisonart@... writes:
                    Hello Milt:  What value capacitor do you use across the bug contacts?  Just curious...thanks es73,
                    Jim
                    K5M
                     




                  • k4oso@aol.com
                    Bob, I m no authority, but I thought the following to be the case: 104M is .001 microfarad +- 20% 103M is .01 microfarad +- 20% 102M is .1 microfarad +- 20%
                    Message 9 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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                      Bob,
                      I'm no authority, but I thought the following to be the case:
                      104M is .001 microfarad +- 20%
                      103M is .01 microfarad +- 20%
                      102M is .1 microfarad +- 20%

                      73, Milt k4oso

                       

                      In a message dated 11/15/2010 3:03:34 PM Pacific Standard Time, w9ya@... writes:

                      Um...no;


                      102 would be a .001

                      104 **is** a .1

                      - Bob
                      w9ya
                       
                    • Mike Markowski
                      Small value capacitors are labeled in pF (x10^-12 F), and the power of ten is indicated by the third digit. So the common 104, for example, is read as two
                      Message 10 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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                        Small value capacitors are labeled in pF (x10^-12 F), and the power of
                        ten is indicated by the third digit. So the common 104, for example, is
                        read as two digit value and a power of ten exponent. E.g.,

                        104 = 10 x 10^4 pF
                        = 100000 x 10^-12 F
                        = 10^-7 F
                        = 10^-1 x 10^-6 F
                        = 0.1 uF

                        Tolerance and other info is indicated by additional letters.

                        Happy capping! :-) 73,
                        Mike ab3ap

                        On 11/15/10 18:28, k4oso@... wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        > Bob,
                        > I'm no authority, but I thought the following to be the case:
                        > 104M is .001 microfarad +- 20%
                        > 103M is .01 microfarad +- 20%
                        > 102M is .1 microfarad +- 20%
                        >
                        > 73, Milt k4oso
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > In a message dated 11/15/2010 3:03:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
                        > w9ya@... writes:
                        >
                        > Um...no;
                        >
                        >
                        > 102 would be a .001
                        >
                        > 104 **is** a .1
                        >
                        > - Bob
                        > w9ya
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                      • w9ya
                        Um...yes ! MUCH better... - Bob w9ya
                        Message 11 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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                          Um...yes !

                          MUCH better...

                          - Bob
                          w9ya

                          On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Mike Markowski <mike.ab3ap@...> wrote:
                          Small value capacitors are labeled in pF (x10^-12 F), and the power of
                          ten is indicated by the third digit.  So the common 104, for example, is
                          read as two digit value and a power of ten exponent.  E.g.,

                          104 = 10 x 10^4 pF
                             = 100000 x 10^-12 F
                             = 10^-7 F
                             = 10^-1 x 10^-6 F
                             = 0.1 uF

                          Tolerance and other info is indicated by additional letters.

                          Happy capping!  :-)   73,
                          Mike ab3ap

                          On 11/15/10 18:28, k4oso@... wrote:
                          >
                          >
                          > Bob,
                          > I'm no authority, but I thought the following to be the case:
                          > 104M is .001 microfarad +- 20%
                          > 103M is .01 microfarad +- 20%
                          > 102M is .1 microfarad +- 20%
                          >
                          > 73, Milt k4oso
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > In a message dated 11/15/2010 3:03:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
                          > w9ya@... writes:
                          >
                          >     Um...no;
                          >
                          >
                          >     102 would be a .001
                          >
                          >     104 **is** a .1
                          >
                          >     - Bob
                          >     w9ya
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >



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                        • ve3akv
                          Hello to all... Respectfully... Frank, W7IS does in fact sell the extendadot system and has been for several years. I have been using his system on several of
                          Message 12 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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                            Hello to all...

                            Respectfully...

                            Frank, W7IS does in fact sell the extendadot system and has been for several years.

                            I have been using his system on several of my faster bugs for some time now and I'm very satisfied with the materials, design and performance of his product.

                            As I understand it, no one specifically asked him to build a device for the masses but he took it upon himself to do just that. The extendadot is a refreshingly simple yet well thought out design.

                            I for one, have no issue re-adjusting a bug and can accomplish this feat in under a minute. Adding the extendadot arm and subsequent adjustments, was/were no problem for me.

                            I also believe removing one side of the tube not only ruined the original design but likely created a "hack" look that I would certainly never display to anyone. I think I would be embarrased to show something like that publicly. If one had run it through a C&C machine and could produce your enhanced design over an over again, then maybe one might would consider it not a "hack".

                            Mr. Mass, I would like to think that Frank will respect your opinion as to his designs but, don't be surprised if he doesn't send you another example to critique. Then again, with Frank, maybe he'd send you another because that's the type of gentleman he is.

                            Well... that should get the "group" going again I'd say!

                            Again, respectfully...

                            Bob
                            VE3AKV





                            --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Maas" <just.one.hill@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Let's make some CHATTER here... ;-)
                            >
                            >
                            > Fellow bug aficionados (who likely spell better than I do) ... I expect many of you are familiar with both Frank, W7IS, and his Extenda-Dot. I don't know if he is selling these are not, but may. Anyway, he kindly sent me one for my opinion.
                            >
                            > Well, frankly, (sorry), Frankly, I wasn't satisfied with it. (Not that it isn't a great idea that works, but I am rarely satisfied with anything as it arrives ;-) The bug had to be completely readjusted to put it on or off. When in use, the whole lever was canted to the side because of the thickness of the barrel of the extenda-dot between the lever and the damper.
                            >
                            > But Frank was adamant that this thing much improved the quality of the dits made by spreading the weight out across the length of the vibrating lever. I decided to modify the device. I put it lengthwise into a vise (maybe it's a vice, but I digress), and filed away one side of the tube, such that when installed, the damper wheel can rest against the lever itself, not the tube.
                            >
                            > Results:
                            >
                            > * it goes on and off a bug without a need to readjust the bug.
                            >
                            > * The trombone effect can extend the lever a lot thus slowing the bug as much as one could ever want. In fact, with one small weight up near the vibrator, and one small (aluminum) weight at the far end, most of my bugs will slow to 15 wpm or speed to 40 wpm, varies by bug, but typical. I can hardly expect that isn't a good range for almost anyone.
                            >
                            > * the quality of dits made by this arrangement is an improvement for any bug I have tried.
                            >
                            > I am attaching photos of the arrangement which shows the extenda-dot in case you aren't familiar, my filing modification, and how it looks on a lever. The bug shown, not much is visible in the close-up, is a 1910 Double-Lever. But the bugs I LOVE it on are the Racers and the Juniors which have shorter levers on which to locate weights, and are thus typically, a bit fast.
                            >
                            > 73, Fred KT5X
                            >
                            > WWW.KT5X.COM
                            >
                            > P.S. 'Nother suggestion: I plug all my bugs in to the rig through a single cable. I have a large cap on that cable, across the bug contacts. There is always a scratchiness with rubbing contacts, and the new solid state radios are so fast, they try to follow it. The loading of the capacitor is all it takes to eliminate this problem. One capacitor on the bug cable takes care of all bugs, no need to mount a cap on each bug.
                            >
                          • Michael MacLeod
                            I ve yet to see any of Freds craftsmanship that looks remotely hacked.I share Freds annoyance with the amount of adjustment to the key that putting on/taking
                            Message 13 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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                              I've yet to see any of Freds craftsmanship that looks remotely hacked.

                              I share Freds annoyance with the amount of adjustment to the key that putting on/taking off an extendadot or similar devices that move the pendulum towards the dot contact.


                              His modification appears to be very worthwhile.


                              Regards


                              Michael - MM1EWA/KD0LEJ 


                              --- On Tue, 16/11/10, ve3akv <ve3akv@...> wrote:

                              From: ve3akv <ve3akv@...>
                              Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Suggestion
                              To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Tuesday, 16 November, 2010, 0:48

                               

                              Hello to all...

                              Respectfully...

                              Frank, W7IS does in fact sell the extendadot system and has been for several years.

                              I have been using his system on several of my faster bugs for some time now and I'm very satisfied with the materials, design and performance of his product.

                              As I understand it, no one specifically asked him to build a device for the masses but he took it upon himself to do just that. The extendadot is a refreshingly simple yet well thought out design.

                              I for one, have no issue re-adjusting a bug and can accomplish this feat in under a minute. Adding the extendadot arm and subsequent adjustments, was/were no problem for me.

                              I also believe removing one side of the tube not only ruined the original design but likely created a "hack" look that I would certainly never display to anyone. I think I would be embarrased to show something like that publicly. If one had run it through a C&C machine and could produce your enhanced design over an over again, then maybe one might would consider it not a "hack".

                              Mr. Mass, I would like to think that Frank will respect your opinion as to his designs but, don't be surprised if he doesn't send you another example to critique. Then again, with Frank, maybe he'd send you another because that's the type of gentleman he is.

                              Well... that should get the "group" going again I'd say!

                              Again, respectfully...

                              Bob
                              VE3AKV

                              --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Maas" <just.one.hill@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Let's make some CHATTER here... ;-)
                              >
                              >
                              > Fellow bug aficionados (who likely spell better than I do) ... I expect many of you are familiar with both Frank, W7IS, and his Extenda-Dot. I don't know if he is selling these are not, but may. Anyway, he kindly sent me one for my opinion.
                              >
                              > Well, frankly, (sorry), Frankly, I wasn't satisfied with it. (Not that it isn't a great idea that works, but I am rarely satisfied with anything as it arrives ;-) The bug had to be completely readjusted to put it on or off. When in use, the whole lever was canted to the side because of the thickness of the barrel of the extenda-dot between the lever and the damper.
                              >
                              > But Frank was adamant that this thing much improved the quality of the dits made by spreading the weight out across the length of the vibrating lever. I decided to modify the device. I put it lengthwise into a vise (maybe it's a vice, but I digress), and filed away one side of the tube, such that when installed, the damper wheel can rest against the lever itself, not the tube.
                              >
                              > Results:
                              >
                              > * it goes on and off a bug without a need to readjust the bug.
                              >
                              > * The trombone effect can extend the lever a lot thus slowing the bug as much as one could ever want. In fact, with one small weight up near the vibrator, and one small (aluminum) weight at the far end, most of my bugs will slow to 15 wpm or speed to 40 wpm, varies by bug, but typical. I can hardly expect that isn't a good range for almost anyone.
                              >
                              > * the quality of dits made by this arrangement is an improvement for any bug I have tried.
                              >
                              > I am attaching photos of the arrangement which shows the extenda-dot in case you aren't familiar, my filing modification, and how it looks on a lever. The bug shown, not much is visible in the close-up, is a 1910 Double-Lever. But the bugs I LOVE it on are the Racers and the Juniors which have shorter levers on which to locate weights, and are thus typically, a bit fast.
                              >
                              > 73, Fred KT5X
                              >
                              > WWW.KT5X.COM
                              >
                              > P.S. 'Nother suggestion: I plug all my bugs in to the rig through a single cable. I have a large cap on that cable, across the bug contacts. There is always a scratchiness with rubbing contacts, and the new solid state radios are so fast, they try to follow it. The loading of the capacitor is all it takes to eliminate this problem. One capacitor on the bug cable takes care of all bugs, no need to mount a cap on each bug.
                              >


                            • k4oso@aol.com
                              Respectfully, It seems to me Fred has found a way to make a good thing even better, and much easier to use and remove without extra adjustments. Many times,
                              Message 14 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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                                Respectfully,
                                It seems to me Fred has found a way to make a good thing even better, and much easier to use and remove without extra adjustments.  Many times, the first prototype of a maching/tool has somewhat of a "hack" look, to be refined in the finished product.  That is not a negative thing.  If the product works better, I think its a cause for celebration. 
                                Congratulations to Frank for his super idea, and to Fred for a refinement that makes that idea even better.  Now, on to the polishers and finishers for that "showroom" look.
                                 
                                73, Milt k4oso
                                 
                                In a message dated 11/15/2010 4:48:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, ve3akv@... writes:
                                Hello to all...

                                Respectfully...

                                Frank, W7IS does in fact sell the extendadot system and has been for several years.

                                I have been using his system on several of my faster bugs for some time now and I'm very satisfied with the materials, design and performance of his product.

                                As I understand it, no one specifically asked him to build a device for the masses but he took it upon himself to do just that. The extendadot is a refreshingly simple yet well thought out design.

                                I for one, have no issue re-adjusting a bug and can accomplish this feat in under a minute. Adding the extendadot arm and subsequent adjustments, was/were no problem for me.

                                I also believe removing one side of the tube not only ruined the original design but likely created a "hack" look that I would certainly never display to anyone. I think I would be embarrased to show something like that publicly. If one had run it through a C&C machine and could produce your enhanced design over an over again, then maybe one might would consider it not a "hack".

                                Mr. Mass, I would like to think that Frank will respect your opinion as to his designs but, don't be surprised if he doesn't send you another example to critique. Then again, with Frank, maybe he'd send you another because that's the type of gentleman he is.

                                Well... that should get the "group" going again I'd say!

                                Again, respectfully...

                                Bob
                                VE3AKV
                                 
                              • k4oso@aol.com
                                Thanks, Mike for the great explanation of how the labelling works. 73, Milt k4oso In a message dated 11/15/2010 4:05:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
                                Message 15 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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                                  Thanks, Mike for the great explanation of how the labelling works. 
                                  73, Milt k4oso
                                   
                                  In a message dated 11/15/2010 4:05:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, mike.ab3ap@... writes:
                                  Small value capacitors are labeled in pF (x10^-12 F), and the power of
                                  ten is indicated by the third digit. So the common 104, for example, is
                                  read as two digit value and a power of ten exponent. E.g.,

                                  104 = 10 x 10^4 pF
                                  = 100000 x 10^-12 F
                                  = 10^-7 F
                                  = 10^-1 x 10^-6 F
                                  = 0.1 uF

                                  Tolerance and other info is indicated by additional letters.

                                  Happy capping! :-) 73,
                                  Mike ab3ap
                                   
                                • Fred Maas
                                  Actually, Frank said he did the same thing, but preferred the simpler way. It doesn t look like anything, as you can t see it unless looking for it with a
                                  Message 16 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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                                    Actually, Frank said he did the same thing, but preferred the simpler way.  It doesn't look like anything, as you can't see it unless looking for it with a magnifying glass ha-hah!
                                     
                                    Good luck, Pal,
                                     
                                    73  Fred
                                     
                                     
                                     
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: ve3akv
                                    Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 5:48 PM
                                    Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Suggestion

                                     

                                    Hello to all...

                                    Respectfully...

                                    Frank, W7IS does in fact sell the extendadot system and has been for several years.

                                    I have been using his system on several of my faster bugs for some time now and I'm very satisfied with the materials, design and performance of his product.

                                    As I understand it, no one specifically asked him to build a device for the masses but he took it upon himself to do just that. The extendadot is a refreshingly simple yet well thought out design.

                                    I for one, have no issue re-adjusting a bug and can accomplish this feat in under a minute. Adding the extendadot arm and subsequent adjustments, was/were no problem for me.

                                    I also believe removing one side of the tube not only ruined the original design but likely created a "hack" look that I would certainly never display to anyone. I think I would be embarrased to show something like that publicly. If one had run it through a C&C machine and could produce your enhanced design over an over again, then maybe one might would consider it not a "hack".

                                    Mr. Mass, I would like to think that Frank will respect your opinion as to his designs but, don't be surprised if he doesn't send you another example to critique. Then again, with Frank, maybe he'd send you another because that's the type of gentleman he is.

                                    Well... that should get the "group" going again I'd say!

                                    Again, respectfully...

                                    Bob
                                    VE3AKV

                                    --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Maas" <just.one.hill@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Let's make some CHATTER here... ;-)
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Fellow bug aficionados (who likely spell better than I do) ... I expect many of you are familiar with both Frank, W7IS, and his Extenda-Dot. I don't know if he is selling these are not, but may. Anyway, he kindly sent me one for my opinion.
                                    >
                                    > Well, frankly, (sorry), Frankly, I wasn't satisfied with it. (Not that it isn't a great idea that works, but I am rarely satisfied with anything as it arrives ;-) The bug had to be completely readjusted to put it on or off. When in use, the whole lever was canted to the side because of the thickness of the barrel of the extenda-dot between the lever and the damper.
                                    >
                                    > But Frank was adamant that this thing much improved the quality of the dits made by spreading the weight out across the length of the vibrating lever. I decided to modify the device. I put it lengthwise into a vise (maybe it's a vice, but I digress), and filed away one side of the tube, such that when installed, the damper wheel can rest against the lever itself, not the tube.
                                    >
                                    > Results:
                                    >
                                    > * it goes on and off a bug without a need to readjust the bug.
                                    >
                                    > * The trombone effect can extend the lever a lot thus slowing the bug as much as one could ever want. In fact, with one small weight up near the vibrator, and one small (aluminum) weight at the far end, most of my bugs will slow to 15 wpm or speed to 40 wpm, varies by bug, but typical. I can hardly expect that isn't a good range for almost anyone.
                                    >
                                    > * the quality of dits made by this arrangement is an improvement for any bug I have tried.
                                    >
                                    > I am attaching photos of the arrangement which shows the extenda-dot in case you aren't familiar, my filing modification, and how it looks on a lever. The bug shown, not much is visible in the close-up, is a 1910 Double-Lever. But the bugs I LOVE it on are the Racers and the Juniors which have shorter levers on which to locate weights, and are thus typically, a bit fast.
                                    >
                                    > 73, Fred KT5X
                                    >
                                    > WWW.KT5X.COM
                                    >
                                    > P.S. 'Nother suggestion: I plug all my bugs in to the rig through a single cable. I have a large cap on that cable, across the bug contacts. There is always a scratchiness with rubbing contacts, and the new solid state radios are so fast, they try to follow it. The loading of the capacitor is all it takes to eliminate this problem. One capacitor on the bug cable takes care of all bugs, no need to mount a cap on each bug.
                                    >

                                  • ve3akv
                                    Fred... Ok...I know when to cut some slack. Regards, 73 - Bob
                                    Message 17 of 18 , Nov 15, 2010
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                                      Fred...

                                      Ok...I know when to cut some slack.

                                      Regards,

                                      73 - Bob

                                      --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Maas" <just.one.hill@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Actually, Frank said he did the same thing, but preferred the simpler way. It doesn't look like anything, as you can't see it unless looking for it with a magnifying glass ha-hah!
                                      >
                                      > Good luck, Pal,
                                      >
                                      > 73 Fred
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: ve3akv
                                      > To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 5:48 PM
                                      > Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Suggestion
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > Hello to all...
                                      >
                                      > Respectfully...
                                      >
                                      > Frank, W7IS does in fact sell the extendadot system and has been for several years.
                                      >
                                      > I have been using his system on several of my faster bugs for some time now and I'm very satisfied with the materials, design and performance of his product.
                                      >
                                      > As I understand it, no one specifically asked him to build a device for the masses but he took it upon himself to do just that. The extendadot is a refreshingly simple yet well thought out design.
                                      >
                                      > I for one, have no issue re-adjusting a bug and can accomplish this feat in under a minute. Adding the extendadot arm and subsequent adjustments, was/were no problem for me.
                                      >
                                      > I also believe removing one side of the tube not only ruined the original design but likely created a "hack" look that I would certainly never display to anyone. I think I would be embarrased to show something like that publicly. If one had run it through a C&C machine and could produce your enhanced design over an over again, then maybe one might would consider it not a "hack".
                                      >
                                      > Mr. Mass, I would like to think that Frank will respect your opinion as to his designs but, don't be surprised if he doesn't send you another example to critique. Then again, with Frank, maybe he'd send you another because that's the type of gentleman he is.
                                      >
                                      > Well... that should get the "group" going again I'd say!
                                      >
                                      > Again, respectfully...
                                      >
                                      > Bob
                                      > VE3AKV
                                      >
                                      > --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Maas" <just.one.hill@> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > Let's make some CHATTER here... ;-)
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Fellow bug aficionados (who likely spell better than I do) ... I expect many of you are familiar with both Frank, W7IS, and his Extenda-Dot. I don't know if he is selling these are not, but may. Anyway, he kindly sent me one for my opinion.
                                      > >
                                      > > Well, frankly, (sorry), Frankly, I wasn't satisfied with it. (Not that it isn't a great idea that works, but I am rarely satisfied with anything as it arrives ;-) The bug had to be completely readjusted to put it on or off. When in use, the whole lever was canted to the side because of the thickness of the barrel of the extenda-dot between the lever and the damper.
                                      > >
                                      > > But Frank was adamant that this thing much improved the quality of the dits made by spreading the weight out across the length of the vibrating lever. I decided to modify the device. I put it lengthwise into a vise (maybe it's a vice, but I digress), and filed away one side of the tube, such that when installed, the damper wheel can rest against the lever itself, not the tube.
                                      > >
                                      > > Results:
                                      > >
                                      > > * it goes on and off a bug without a need to readjust the bug.
                                      > >
                                      > > * The trombone effect can extend the lever a lot thus slowing the bug as much as one could ever want. In fact, with one small weight up near the vibrator, and one small (aluminum) weight at the far end, most of my bugs will slow to 15 wpm or speed to 40 wpm, varies by bug, but typical. I can hardly expect that isn't a good range for almost anyone.
                                      > >
                                      > > * the quality of dits made by this arrangement is an improvement for any bug I have tried.
                                      > >
                                      > > I am attaching photos of the arrangement which shows the extenda-dot in case you aren't familiar, my filing modification, and how it looks on a lever. The bug shown, not much is visible in the close-up, is a 1910 Double-Lever. But the bugs I LOVE it on are the Racers and the Juniors which have shorter levers on which to locate weights, and are thus typically, a bit fast.
                                      > >
                                      > > 73, Fred KT5X
                                      > >
                                      > > WWW.KT5X.COM
                                      > >
                                      > > P.S. 'Nother suggestion: I plug all my bugs in to the rig through a single cable. I have a large cap on that cable, across the bug contacts. There is always a scratchiness with rubbing contacts, and the new solid state radios are so fast, they try to follow it. The loading of the capacitor is all it takes to eliminate this problem. One capacitor on the bug cable takes care of all bugs, no need to mount a cap on each bug.
                                      > >
                                      >
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