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  • Troy
    After cleaning all parts in a small ultrasonic cleaner, this bug doesn t appear to have the jewels. The red finger pieces and the red knob on the shorting
    Message 1 of 21 , Feb 24, 2010
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      After cleaning all parts in a small ultrasonic cleaner, this bug doesn't appear to have the jewels. The red finger pieces and the red knob on the shorting switch are there. Thanks for the info, David; your email saved for future reference.
       
      Troy, W6HV
      Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:03 PM
      Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Lightning Vibroplex in bad shape


      The Deluxe Vibroplex keys had red finger pieces and two jewels in the pivot - upper and lower bearings - most (the exception was during WW2 where the bases were painted) had chrome bases.

      The following keys came in Deluxe models:  Original, Lightning Bug, Blue Racer.
      The following keys came only in non-jeweled models:  Zephyr and Champion.
      The following keys only came in Deluxe finish with jeweled movement and special adjustable mainspring - the Presentation mode
      Originals could be ordered on three different size bases - 3.5 inch bases (stadard), 3.0 inch (the size of the Zephyr and Martin Junior) and 2.5 inch (size of the Blue Raceer).
      All keys - with the exception of the Champion could be ordered in left handed versions - at least I've never seen a lefty Champion.

      All models except for Original have been discontinued - but the Original comes in two additional finishes now - presentation finish and gold finish.
      There is also an Original on a small base - Blue Racer 2000 Original key.

      73

      David N1EA
    • Troy
      OK, Bob. I wasn t sure that the Lightning came in the Deluxe version. David, N1EA, indicated that they did. I had checked the Vibroplex website and the W1TP
      Message 2 of 21 , Feb 24, 2010
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        OK, Bob. I wasn't sure that the Lightning came in the Deluxe version. David, N1EA, indicated that they did. I had checked the Vibroplex website and the W1TP Telegraph & Scientific Instrument Museums site ( http://www.w1tp.com/telegraph.html ) and only saw the standard version.
         
        Troy, W6HV
        From: w9ya
        Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:42 PM
        Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Lightning Vibroplex in bad shape

        Hey Troy and the gang;
         
          
        I am not sure if this a question like your original message or ??
         
        Um, the red pieces are correct for both color and shape when present on that vintage bug with it's chromed base.


         

        Vy 73 de;
        - Bob
        w9ya
         
         
         
        On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Troy <w6hv@...> wrote:
        I also forgot to mention that the usual black triangular thumb piece, etc.,
        are not on the bug. Instead, the newer oval red pieces are present.

        Troy, W6HV

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        From: <w6hv@...>
        Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:27 PM
        To: <cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com>
        Subject: [cw_bugs] Lightning Vibroplex in bad shape

        I just received an early c1946 Lightning by Vibroplex from a friend. It had
        been stored for many years and is in dire need of cleaning. What I am
        curious about is the base finish. I am absolutely not an expert in this
        area, strictly relying on those of you that are!

        The base has a chromed finish, albeit in very poor condition. I can't find
        any reference to that sort of base being used for the Lightning. Were they
        manufactured that way, as well as the typical black finish shown in the
        photos on the Vibroplex site?

        I would like to restore the old critter. Any suggestions would be
        appreciated.

        73,
        Troy, W6HV



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      • w9ya
        Yes, sure thing Troy. Um.... one other thing to note; for a while (primarily) during the forties there were various deluxe models that came WITHOUT jeweled
        Message 3 of 21 , Feb 24, 2010
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          Yes, sure thing Troy. Um.... one other thing to note; for a while (primarily) during the forties there were various deluxe models that came WITHOUT jeweled bearings. Most notably the #6s (lightning bugs)........ One of the ore interesting things about collecting bugs is the variations. I also have a deluxe/chromed #6 - lightning bug without jeweled bearings dated to around 1942.

          Enjoy your bug and be sure to look up David's excellent method for restoring the contacts and cleaning the bug to get maximum pleasure from your 'new' toy.

          Vy 73 de

          - Bob
          w9ya




          On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Troy <w6hv@...> wrote:


          OK, Bob. I wasn't sure that the Lightning came in the Deluxe version. David, N1EA, indicated that they did. I had checked the Vibroplex website and the W1TP Telegraph & Scientific Instrument Museums site ( http://www.w1tp.com/telegraph.html ) and only saw the standard version.
           
          Troy, W6HV
          From: w9ya
          Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:42 PM
          Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Lightning Vibroplex in bad shape

          Hey Troy and the gang;
           
            
          I am not sure if this a question like your original message or ??
           
          Um, the red pieces are correct for both color and shape when present on that vintage bug with it's chromed base.


           

          Vy 73 de;
          - Bob
          w9ya
           
           
           
          On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Troy <w6hv@...> wrote:
          I also forgot to mention that the usual black triangular thumb piece, etc.,
          are not on the bug. Instead, the newer oval red pieces are present.

          Troy, W6HV

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          From: <w6hv@...>
          Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:27 PM
          To: <cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com>
          Subject: [cw_bugs] Lightning Vibroplex in bad shape

          I just received an early c1946 Lightning by Vibroplex from a friend. It had
          been stored for many years and is in dire need of cleaning. What I am
          curious about is the base finish. I am absolutely not an expert in this
          area, strictly relying on those of you that are!

          The base has a chromed finish, albeit in very poor condition. I can't find
          any reference to that sort of base being used for the Lightning. Were they
          manufactured that way, as well as the typical black finish shown in the
          photos on the Vibroplex site?

          I would like to restore the old critter. Any suggestions would be
          appreciated.

          73,
          Troy, W6HV



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        • john@morsemad.com
          Quite a few versions of the Vibroplex bugs can be seen on my web site at: http://WWW.morsemad.com/vib.htm   John / G0RDO http://www.morsemad.com
          Message 4 of 21 , Feb 25, 2010
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            Quite a few versions of the Vibroplex bugs can be seen on my web site at:
            http://WWW.morsemad.com/vib.htm



             

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          • ke5pwleric
            I Have a 1940 Deluxe Lightning Or the No6, it has red paddles, and no jeweled movements. It s signed and dated on the bottom by Howard S. Weed 1940.. I was
            Message 5 of 21 , Feb 25, 2010
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              I Have a 1940 Deluxe Lightning Or the No6, it has red paddles, and no jeweled movements. It's signed and dated on the bottom by Howard S. Weed 1940.. I was told that he was a cw op in the navy.

              --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, w9ya <w9ya@...> wrote:
              >
              > Yes, sure thing Troy. Um.... one other thing to note; for a while
              > (primarily) during the forties there were various deluxe models that came
              > WITHOUT jeweled bearings. Most notably the #6s (lightning bugs)........ One
              > of the ore interesting things about collecting bugs is the variations. I
              > also have a deluxe/chromed #6 - lightning bug without jeweled bearings dated
              > to around 1942.
              >
              > Enjoy your bug and be sure to look up David's excellent method for restoring
              > the contacts and cleaning the bug to get maximum pleasure from your 'new'
              > toy.
              >
              > Vy 73 de
              >
              > - Bob
              > w9ya
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Troy <w6hv@...> wrote:
              >
              > >
              > >
              > > OK, Bob. I wasn't sure that the Lightning came in the Deluxe version.
              > > David, N1EA, indicated that they did. I had checked the Vibroplex website
              > > and the W1TP Telegraph & Scientific Instrument Museums site (
              > > http://www.w1tp.com/telegraph.html ) and only saw the standard version.
              > >
              > > Troy, W6HV
              > >
              > > *From:* w9ya <w9ya@...>
              > > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:42 PM
              > > *To:* cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
              > > *Subject:* Re: [cw_bugs] Lightning Vibroplex in bad shape
              > >
              > > Hey Troy and the gang;
              > >
              > >
              > > I am not sure if this a question like your original message or ??
              > >
              > > Um, the red pieces are correct for both color and shape when present on
              > > that vintage bug with it's chromed base.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > Vy 73 de;
              > > - Bob
              > > w9ya
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Troy <w6hv@...> wrote:
              > >
              > >> I also forgot to mention that the usual black triangular thumb piece,
              > >> etc.,
              > >> are not on the bug. Instead, the newer oval red pieces are present.
              > >>
              > >> Troy, W6HV
              > >>
              > >> --------------------------------------------------
              > >> From: <w6hv@...>
              > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:27 PM
              > >> To: <cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com>
              > >> Subject: [cw_bugs] Lightning Vibroplex in bad shape
              > >>
              > >> I just received an early c1946 Lightning by Vibroplex from a friend. It
              > >> had
              > >> been stored for many years and is in dire need of cleaning. What I am
              > >> curious about is the base finish. I am absolutely not an expert in this
              > >> area, strictly relying on those of you that are!
              > >>
              > >> The base has a chromed finish, albeit in very poor condition. I can't find
              > >> any reference to that sort of base being used for the Lightning. Were they
              > >> manufactured that way, as well as the typical black finish shown in the
              > >> photos on the Vibroplex site?
              > >>
              > >> I would like to restore the old critter. Any suggestions would be
              > >> appreciated.
              > >>
              > >> 73,
              > >> Troy, W6HV
              > >>
              > >>
              > >>
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            • D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
              Bob, I believe the #6 that you have that you have has nickel plating and has black finger pieces, doesn t it? The deluxe bugs were the jeweled movements. Going
              Message 6 of 21 , Feb 25, 2010
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                Bob,

                I believe the #6 that you have that you have has nickel plating and has black finger pieces, doesn't it?

                The deluxe bugs were the jeweled movements.

                Going back even into the 19-teens, bugs were offered with painted bases or nickel plated bases.  The top parts were also nickel plated.

                The Deluxe was not just a finish as it is now, it was a different model of the bug.  The model included three things - man-made jeweled movement on the main trunnion lever, and changes in finish by using red finger pieces and chrome base.  During WW2 the base was usually painted due to restrictions on the use of chrome which could not be used for "decorative parts only"   - the base was chromed just for looks, so it wasn't allowed.

                73

                DR

                On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:57 PM, w9ya <w9ya@...> wrote:


                Yes, sure thing Troy. Um.... one other thing to note; for a while (primarily) during the forties there were various deluxe models that came WITHOUT jeweled bearings. Most notably the #6s (lightning bugs)........ One of the ore interesting things about collecting bugs is the variations. I also have a deluxe/chromed #6 - lightning bug without jeweled bearings dated to around 1942.

                Enjoy your bug and be sure to look up David's excellent method for restoring the contacts and cleaning the bug to get maximum pleasure from your 'new' toy.


                Vy 73 de

                - Bob
                w9ya




                On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Troy <w6hv@...> wrote:


                OK, Bob. I wasn't sure that the Lightning came in the Deluxe version. David, N1EA, indicated that they did. I had checked the Vibroplex website and the W1TP Telegraph & Scientific Instrument Museums site ( http://www.w1tp.com/telegraph.html ) and only saw the standard version.
                 
                Troy, W6HV
                From: w9ya
                Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:42 PM
                Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Lightning Vibroplex in bad shape

                Hey Troy and the gang;
                 
                  
                I am not sure if this a question like your original message or ??
                 
                Um, the red pieces are correct for both color and shape when present on that vintage bug with it's chromed base.


                 

                Vy 73 de;
                - Bob
                w9ya
                 
                 
                 
                On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Troy <w6hv@...> wrote:
                I also forgot to mention that the usual black triangular thumb piece, etc.,
                are not on the bug. Instead, the newer oval red pieces are present.

                Troy, W6HV

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                From: <w6hv@...>
                Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:27 PM
                To: <cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com>
                Subject: [cw_bugs] Lightning Vibroplex in bad shape

                I just received an early c1946 Lightning by Vibroplex from a friend. It had
                been stored for many years and is in dire need of cleaning. What I am
                curious about is the base finish. I am absolutely not an expert in this
                area, strictly relying on those of you that are!

                The base has a chromed finish, albeit in very poor condition. I can't find
                any reference to that sort of base being used for the Lightning. Were they
                manufactured that way, as well as the typical black finish shown in the
                photos on the Vibroplex site?

                I would like to restore the old critter. Any suggestions would be
                appreciated.

                73,
                Troy, W6HV



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              • w9ya
                Uh... nope.....it s chromed David, and it has red parts and it APPEARS to have no jewels. I misspoke earlier however, as the FIRST jeweled bearings were
                Message 7 of 21 , Feb 25, 2010
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                  Uh... nope.....it's chromed David, and it has red parts and it APPEARS to have no jewels. I misspoke earlier however, as the FIRST jeweled bearings were pressed into the regular stems and unless you take them apart, they LOOK JUST LIKE they are the regular non-jeweled screws. (Which in fact they are, as the jewels appear to be pressed into these regular screws.)
                   
                  I also have other Vibroplexes from the same (and other) era(s) that are nickle plated so I aware of that difference and I also have some obviously fully chromed bugs, amongst them a Blue Racer, that also doesn't have the later blindscrew-jeweled parts. The Blue Racer oddly is post WW2 while the #6's built with jewels and slotted screw-stems seem to be dated somewhat earlier in the forties.
                   
                  While not going into such dating detail, this jewels in slotted stemmed (regular) screws is covered on page 79 of the French book. (Third edition)
                   
                  Anyways, thanks for asking and helping me to correct my mea-culpa on the APPEARANCE of non-jeweled regular slotted screw stems which in fact DO contain 'jewels' !
                   
                  Vy 73;
                   
                  - Bob
                  w9ya
                   
                   
                   
                  On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:27 AM, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <n1ea@...> wrote:


                  Bob,

                  I believe the #6 that you have that you have has nickel plating and has black finger pieces, doesn't it?

                  The deluxe bugs were the jeweled movements.

                  Going back even into the 19-teens, bugs were offered with painted bases or nickel plated bases.  The top parts were also nickel plated.

                  The Deluxe was not just a finish as it is now, it was a different model of the bug.  The model included three things - man-made jeweled movement on the main trunnion lever, and changes in finish by using red finger pieces and chrome base.  During WW2 the base was usually painted due to restrictions on the use of chrome which could not be used for "decorative parts only"   - the base was chromed just for looks, so it wasn't allowed.

                  73

                  DR


                  On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 9:57 PM, w9ya <w9ya@...> wrote:


                  Yes, sure thing Troy. Um.... one other thing to note; for a while (primarily) during the forties there were various deluxe models that came WITHOUT jeweled bearings. Most notably the #6s (lightning bugs)........ One of the ore interesting things about collecting bugs is the variations. I also have a deluxe/chromed #6 - lightning bug without jeweled bearings dated to around 1942.

                  Enjoy your bug and be sure to look up David's excellent method for restoring the contacts and cleaning the bug to get maximum pleasure from your 'new' toy.


                  Vy 73 de

                  - Bob
                  w9ya




                  On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Troy <w6hv@...> wrote:


                  OK, Bob. I wasn't sure that the Lightning came in the Deluxe version. David, N1EA, indicated that they did. I had checked the Vibroplex website and the W1TP Telegraph & Scientific Instrument Museums site ( http://www.w1tp.com/telegraph.html ) and only saw the standard version.
                   
                  Troy, W6HV
                  From: w9ya
                  Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:42 PM
                  Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Lightning Vibroplex in bad shape

                  Hey Troy and the gang;
                   
                    
                  I am not sure if this a question like your original message or ??
                   
                  Um, the red pieces are correct for both color and shape when present on that vintage bug with it's chromed base.


                   

                  Vy 73 de;
                  - Bob
                  w9ya
                   
                   
                   
                  On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Troy <w6hv@...> wrote:
                  I also forgot to mention that the usual black triangular thumb piece, etc.,
                  are not on the bug. Instead, the newer oval red pieces are present.

                  Troy, W6HV

                  --------------------------------------------------
                  From: <w6hv@...>
                  Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:27 PM
                  To: <cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com>
                  Subject: [cw_bugs] Lightning Vibroplex in bad shape

                  I just received an early c1946 Lightning by Vibroplex from a friend. It had
                  been stored for many years and is in dire need of cleaning. What I am
                  curious about is the base finish. I am absolutely not an expert in this
                  area, strictly relying on those of you that are!

                  The base has a chromed finish, albeit in very poor condition. I can't find
                  any reference to that sort of base being used for the Lightning. Were they
                  manufactured that way, as well as the typical black finish shown in the
                  photos on the Vibroplex site?

                  I would like to restore the old critter. Any suggestions would be
                  appreciated.

                  73,
                  Troy, W6HV



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                • Troy
                  I ve been very interested in the comments concerning the various configurations of the Lightning. I m now reasonably sure that I have a deluxe #6. However, I
                  Message 8 of 21 , Feb 25, 2010
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                    I've been very interested in the comments concerning the various configurations of the Lightning. I'm now reasonably sure that I have a deluxe #6. However, I rechecked the trunion under my lighted magnifier and did not see any sign of a jeweled bearing.
                     
                    Now I have two deluxe Blue Racers c1959 and c1998, a Champion c1972, a deluxe Original c1963, and a standard Original c1976, and a Lightning c1946. No Zephyr though.
                     
                    Thanks to all for the interesting info!
                    73,
                    Troy, W6HV
                     
                     
                    From: w9ya
                    Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:57 PM
                    Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Lightning Vibroplex in bad shape

                    Yes, sure thing Troy. Um.... one other thing to note; for a while (primarily) during the forties there were various deluxe models that came WITHOUT jeweled bearings. Most notably the #6s (lightning bugs)........ One of the ore interesting things about collecting bugs is the variations. I also have a deluxe/chromed #6 - lightning bug without jeweled bearings dated to around 1942.

                    Enjoy your bug and be sure to look up David's excellent method for restoring the contacts and cleaning the bug to get maximum pleasure from your 'new' toy.

                    Vy 73 de

                    - Bob
                    w9ya




                    On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Troy <w6hv@...> wrote:


                    OK, Bob. I wasn't sure that the Lightning came in the Deluxe version. David, N1EA, indicated that they did. I had checked the Vibroplex website and the W1TP Telegraph & Scientific Instrument Museums site ( http://www.w1tp.com/telegraph.html ) and only saw the standard version.
                     
                    Troy, W6HV
                    From: w9ya
                    Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:42 PM
                    Subject: Re: [cw_bugs] Lightning Vibroplex in bad shape

                    Hey Troy and the gang;
                     
                      
                    I am not sure if this a question like your original message or ??
                     
                    Um, the red pieces are correct for both color and shape when present on that vintage bug with it's chromed base.


                     

                    Vy 73 de;
                    - Bob
                    w9ya
                     
                     
                     
                    On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Troy <w6hv@...> wrote:
                    I also forgot to mention that the usual black triangular thumb piece, etc.,
                    are not on the bug. Instead, the newer oval red pieces are present.

                    Troy, W6HV

                    --------------------------------------------------
                    From: <w6hv@...>
                    Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:27 PM
                    To: <cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com>
                    Subject: [cw_bugs] Lightning Vibroplex in bad shape

                    I just received an early c1946 Lightning by Vibroplex from a friend. It had
                    been stored for many years and is in dire need of cleaning. What I am
                    curious about is the base finish. I am absolutely not an expert in this
                    area, strictly relying on those of you that are!

                    The base has a chromed finish, albeit in very poor condition. I can't find
                    any reference to that sort of base being used for the Lightning. Were they
                    manufactured that way, as well as the typical black finish shown in the
                    photos on the Vibroplex site?

                    I would like to restore the old critter. Any suggestions would be
                    appreciated.

                    73,
                    Troy, W6HV



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                  • D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
                    The jeweled bearings currently are different in two ways: The cups have the cup made from ruby or sapphire (synthetic), and the pins are rounded. The regular
                    Message 9 of 21 , Feb 25, 2010
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                      The jeweled bearings currently are different in two ways:  The cups have the cup made from ruby or sapphire (synthetic), and the pins are rounded.  The regular bearings have sharp pins on the screw  ends.  The jeweled bearings look like a person's elbow.  The regular bearings fit inside a hollowed out screw while the jeweled  bearings the elbow fits against the cup with the jewel on it.  Only one half of the bearing is a jewel the other part is an elbow shaped piece of metal.  Two jeweled cups one at the top, one at the bottom.

                      73

                      DR
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