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  • Pete Haddad
    Hello All, I was just emailing a friend of mine, Bill, W4HEX and he has a response to this topic. I am attaching it below. We are both bug nuts, along with
    Message 1 of 21 , Dec 3, 2008
      Hello All,

      I was just emailing a friend of mine, Bill, W4HEX and he has a
      response to this topic. I am attaching it below. We are both bug
      nuts, along with Randy KB4QQJ, and Milt K4OSO and we try to be
      followers of WR Smith W4PAL the Key Restoration King..hi hi..but seem
      to come up with some help to one another on occassion.. anyway
      enjoyed the conversation and here are Bill's comments...

      Pete -

      You might add to the discussion that there is a source for
      replacement rivets if ever needed. I can machine these and currently
      have a few in stock. Mine will have to be plated as desired.

      - Bill

      I dont think Bill W4HEX is a member of the group so here is his email
      address ki4nov@... . yes this is correct it is his old
      call....hi..

      73

      Pete W5PEH


      --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > I'd like to replace the gold-plated brass plate on a Vibroplex
      > Presentation bug. My question is, how difficult is it to replace
      the
      > rivets which hold down the ID plate? Is it simply a matter of
      > punching them out from the bottom, then hammering them in from the
      top
      > afterward? If that's the case, I'll need a very narrow punch to
      drive
      > them out.
      >
      > Thanks / 73
      >
      > Jack - N0NV
      >
    • David Ring
      You re right - I just checked my BR2000 key - it has rivets! Bravo. And the contacts, double bravo! Things are getting better! 73 DR
      Message 2 of 21 , Dec 3, 2008
        You're right - I just checked my BR2000 key - it has rivets!  Bravo.  And the contacts, double bravo!

        Things are getting better!

        73
        DR

        On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Jack B. <nzeronv@...> wrote:


        No Glue - understood!

        First I'll have to flatten out the front lip of the plate (it was
        caught and bent up a bit by a previous owner), then decide if it will
        look good enough to re-use.

        You'll be happy to know that Vibroplex switched back to using riveted
        serial number plates when W4OA took over the operation in the 1990's.
        http://www.vibroplex.com/original_bug.html
        I can verify this with new bugs that I've purchased in the last couple
        years.  Whether or not there's glue in addition to this, I don't know.

        My new bugs also have convex shaped contacts for both dot and dash,
        while my older bugs have flat contacts.

        73,

        Jack - N0NV




        --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "David Ring" <n1ea@...> wrote:
        >
        > Present day serial number Vibroplex aren't riveted, they're glued with
        > Duco.  That makes them much harder - if not impossible - to restore.
        >
        > Similarly, the "red decorative piece" that fits into the top of the yoke
        > where the top trunnion screw usually goes (and still can go) is - in
        the new
        > models - glued with Duco cement rather than being a small red
        plastic part
        > with machined threads to fit the bore in the yoke as they used to be
        from
        > 1949 to about 1990 when this part was introduced due to WW2 models
        having
        > "operators misadjustment problems" caused by over tightening the top
        > trunnion screw until the jewel cracked.
        >
        > DO NOT glue the baseplate - you'll never remove it again if you do.
        >
        > Also, send the plate out for replating - it will cost you more to strip,
        > plate with copper, nickle and flash with heavy 24k gold than to buy
        a new
        > one from Vibroplex, but the looks and the quality will be
        exceedingly better
        > and it will last much much longer.  In other words, the last time -
        before
        > gold went up in price - it would cost $60 to replate.  It might be
        $65 to
        > $80 now with the increase in gold - but remember it's only a flash
        of gold -
        > get the HEAVY plate on it.  Vibroplex does an inexpensive job in their
        > effort to keep costs reasonable, but if you're restoring, you're
        going to
        > spend the money anyway, so why not do it right.  The majority of the
        cost in
        > gold plate is the preparation work - you have to strip, polish, plate
        > copper, plate nickel, then gold plate.  So it is more than meets the
        usual
        > person's understanding and thus they think they're being over
        charged, which
        > they're usually not.  But shop around, if you know a person who does
        musical
        > instruments, ask that person as that is the quality you want.  I can't
        > overstate the prudence that doing the job with a good plater rather than
        > buying a replacement will make to your finished product in both
        looks and in
        > durability.
        >
        > 73
        > DR
        >
        > David Ring, N1EA
        > -30-
        >
        > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:19 AM, <wz4cw@...> wrote:
        >
        > >  As I recall, all the Bug parts on top of the Gold Plated Brass Plate
        > > (GPBP) act like "nuts".  Then the screws go into the Bug parts
        from the
        > > bottom of the base.  That's what holds the GPBP down.  I don't
        recall any
        > > glue  being necessary.
        > > 73     Carl  WZ4CW,   SKCC 918,    FISTS 13491
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        >



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      • Jack B.
        I was able to borrow a pin punch, which worked very well indeed. After inspecting the gold-plated plate, I decided to buy a new one from Vibroplex because the
        Message 3 of 21 , Dec 8, 2008
          I was able to borrow a pin punch, which worked very well indeed.
          After inspecting the gold-plated plate, I decided to buy a new one
          from Vibroplex because the original was too bent up at the front.
          Also, I like to patronize the factory when it's practical to do so.

          I'll have to make sure I have a punch that won't slip off the rivets
          as I re-install things later. I want this to be a curse-free job.

          When I'm done, this will be my best bug -- functionally and
          cosmetically. A nice Christmas gift from me to me.

          73,

          Jack - N0NV



          --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@...> wrote:
          >
          >
          > I'd like to replace the gold-plated brass plate on a Vibroplex
          > Presentation bug. My question is, how difficult is it to replace the
          > rivets which hold down the ID plate? Is it simply a matter of
          > punching them out from the bottom, then hammering them in from the top
          > afterward? If that's the case, I'll need a very narrow punch to drive
          > them out.
          >
          > Thanks / 73
          >
          > Jack - N0NV
          >
        • Ron Johnson
          Best of luck Jack. Have a drink AFTER you ve done it. 73 Ron g3xov ... From: Jack B. Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Vibroplex Rivets To:
          Message 4 of 21 , Dec 8, 2008
            Best of luck Jack. Have a drink AFTER you've done it.
            73 Ron g3xov


            --- On Mon, 8/12/08, Jack B. <nzeronv@...> wrote:
            From: Jack B. <nzeronv@...>
            Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Vibroplex Rivets
            To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Monday, 8 December, 2008, 6:29 PM


            I was able to borrow a pin punch, which worked very well indeed.
            After inspecting the gold-plated plate, I decided to buy a new one
            from Vibroplex because the original was too bent up at the front.
            Also, I like to patronize the factory when it's practical to do so.

            I'll have to make sure I have a punch that won't slip off the rivets
            as I re-install things later. I want this to be a curse-free job.

            When I'm done, this will be my best bug -- functionally and
            cosmetically. A nice Christmas gift from me to me.

            73,

            Jack - N0NV

            --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups .com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@... > wrote:
            >
            >
            > I'd like to replace the gold-plated brass plate on a Vibroplex
            > Presentation bug. My question is, how difficult is it to replace the
            > rivets which hold down the ID plate? Is it simply a matter of
            > punching them out from the bottom, then hammering them in from the top
            > afterward? If that's the case, I'll need a very narrow punch to drive
            > them out.
            >
            > Thanks / 73
            >
            > Jack - N0NV
            >

          • Jack B.
            Rest assured, only the bug will be having a punch and getting hammered (.... ..) Jack - N0NV
            Message 5 of 21 , Dec 8, 2008
              Rest assured, only the bug will be 'having a punch' and 'getting
              hammered' (.... ..)

              Jack - N0NV



              --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, Ron Johnson <ron538@...> wrote:
              >
              > Best of luck Jack. Have a drink AFTER you've done it.
              > 73 Ron g3xov
              >
              >
              > --- On Mon, 8/12/08, Jack B. <nzeronv@...> wrote:
              >
              > From: Jack B. <nzeronv@...>
              > Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Vibroplex Rivets
              > To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
              > Date: Monday, 8 December, 2008, 6:29 PM
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > I was able to borrow a pin punch, which worked very well indeed.
              > After inspecting the gold-plated plate, I decided to buy a new one
              > from Vibroplex because the original was too bent up at the front.
              > Also, I like to patronize the factory when it's practical to do so.
              >
              > I'll have to make sure I have a punch that won't slip off the rivets
              > as I re-install things later. I want this to be a curse-free job.
              >
              > When I'm done, this will be my best bug -- functionally and
              > cosmetically. A nice Christmas gift from me to me.
              >
              > 73,
              >
              > Jack - N0NV
              >
              > --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups .com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@ > wrote:
              > >
              > >
              > > I'd like to replace the gold-plated brass plate on a Vibroplex
              > > Presentation bug. My question is, how difficult is it to replace the
              > > rivets which hold down the ID plate? Is it simply a matter of
              > > punching them out from the bottom, then hammering them in from the top
              > > afterward? If that's the case, I'll need a very narrow punch to drive
              > > them out.
              > >
              > > Thanks / 73
              > >
              > > Jack - N0NV
              > >
              >
            • Richard Meiss
              Hi, Jack - To protect against slips , get a flat piece of metal or plexiglass plastic and drill a hole through it just the diameter of the rivet s head. Put
              Message 6 of 21 , Dec 8, 2008
                Hi, Jack -

                     To protect against "slips", get a flat piece of metal or plexiglass plastic and drill a hole through it just the diameter of the rivet's head.  Put the rivet through this and start it into the hole, then use the pin punch.  The drilled hole will prevent the punch from slipping off.  Then have the drink.

                     73 de Rich, WB9LPU



                -----Original Message-----
                From: "Jack B."
                Sent: Dec 8, 2008 4:59 PM
                To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Vibroplex Rivets


                Rest assured, only the bug will be 'having a punch' and 'getting
                hammered' (.... ..)

                Jack - N0NV

                --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups .com, Ron Johnson <ron538@...> wrote:
                >
                > Best of luck Jack. Have a drink AFTER you've done it.
                > 73 Ron g3xov
                >
                >
                > --- On Mon, 8/12/08, Jack B. <nzeronv@... > wrote:
                >
                > From: Jack B. <nzeronv@... >
                > Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Vibroplex Rivets
                > To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups .com
                > Date: Monday, 8 December, 2008, 6:29 PM
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > I was able to borrow a pin punch, which worked very well indeed.
                > After inspecting the gold-plated plate, I decided to buy a new one
                > from Vibroplex because the original was too bent up at the front.
                > Also, I like to patronize the factory when it's practical to do so.
                >
                > I'll have to make sure I have a punch that won't slip off the rivets
                > as I re-install things later. I want this to be a curse-free job.
                >
                > When I'm done, this will be my best bug -- functionally and
                > cosmetically. A nice Christmas gift from me to me.
                >
                > 73,
                >
                > Jack - N0NV
                >
                > --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups .com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@ > wrote:
                > >
                > >
                > > I'd like to replace the gold-plated brass plate on a Vibroplex
                > > Presentation bug. My question is, how difficult is it to replace the
                > > rivets which hold down the ID plate? Is it simply a matter of
                > > punching them out from the bottom, then hammering them in from the top
                > > afterward? If that's the case, I'll need a very narrow punch to drive
                > > them out.
                > >
                > > Thanks / 73
                > >
                > > Jack - N0NV
                > >
                >

              • Jack B.
                I called Vibroplex and I was told they are in the process of changing the vendor who does their chrome and gold plating, so they can t provide a finished gold
                Message 7 of 21 , Dec 9, 2008
                  I called Vibroplex and I was told they are in the process of changing
                  the vendor who does their chrome and gold plating, so they can't
                  provide a finished gold plate for the Presentation any time soon. No
                  word as to the reason for changing platers, but I hope they find a
                  good one.

                  Looks like I'll have to straighten out the old brass and use a local
                  plater after all.

                  Jack - N0NV



                  --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@...> wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  > I was able to borrow a pin punch, which worked very well indeed.
                  > After inspecting the gold-plated plate, I decided to buy a new one
                  > from Vibroplex because the original was too bent up at the front.
                  > Also, I like to patronize the factory when it's practical to do so.
                  >
                  > I'll have to make sure I have a punch that won't slip off the rivets
                  > as I re-install things later. I want this to be a curse-free job.
                  >
                  > When I'm done, this will be my best bug -- functionally and
                  > cosmetically. A nice Christmas gift from me to me.
                  >
                  > 73,
                  >
                  > Jack - N0NV
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > I'd like to replace the gold-plated brass plate on a Vibroplex
                  > > Presentation bug. My question is, how difficult is it to replace the
                  > > rivets which hold down the ID plate? Is it simply a matter of
                  > > punching them out from the bottom, then hammering them in from the top
                  > > afterward? If that's the case, I'll need a very narrow punch to drive
                  > > them out.
                  > >
                  > > Thanks / 73
                  > >
                  > > Jack - N0NV
                  > >
                  >
                • David Ring
                  If you don t want to do this, contact Vibroplex and ask them to sell you an unplated brass overlay used on the Presentation model of the Vibroplex Original
                  Message 8 of 21 , Dec 9, 2008

                    If you don't want to do this, contact Vibroplex and ask them to sell you an unplated brass overlay used on the Presentation model of the Vibroplex Original bug, it will fit both the current gold topped Original model and the previous Presentation model.

                    73

                    David N1EA

                    -30-


                    On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Jack B. <nzeronv@...> wrote:

                    I called Vibroplex and I was told they are in the process of changing
                    the vendor who does their chrome and gold plating, so they can't
                    provide a finished gold plate for the Presentation any time soon. No
                    word as to the reason for changing platers, but I hope they find a
                    good one.

                    Looks like I'll have to straighten out the old brass and use a local
                    plater after all.

                    Jack - N0NV



                    --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@...> wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    > I was able to borrow a pin punch, which worked very well indeed.
                    > After inspecting the gold-plated plate, I decided to buy a new one
                    > from Vibroplex because the original was too bent up at the front.
                    > Also, I like to patronize the factory when it's practical to do so.
                    >
                    > I'll have to make sure I have a punch that won't slip off the rivets
                    > as I re-install things later.  I want this to be a curse-free job.
                    >
                    > When I'm done, this will be my best bug -- functionally and
                    > cosmetically.  A nice Christmas gift from me to me.
                    >
                    > 73,
                    >
                    > Jack - N0NV
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > I'd like to replace the gold-plated brass plate on a Vibroplex
                    > > Presentation bug.  My question is, how difficult is it to replace the
                    > > rivets which hold down the ID plate?  Is it simply a matter of
                    > > punching them out from the bottom, then hammering them in from the top
                    > > afterward?  If that's the case, I'll need a very narrow punch to drive
                    > > them out.
                    > >
                    > > Thanks / 73
                    > >
                    > > Jack - N0NV
                    > >
                    >



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                  • Earl Needham
                    ... I suspect they didn t get the results they wanted from the old plater. Remember, they had NUMEROUS seconds for poor plating, pitting, etc., during the
                    Message 9 of 21 , Dec 11, 2008
                      Jack B. wrote:
                      > I called Vibroplex and I was told they are in the process of changing
                      > the vendor who does their chrome and gold plating, so they can't
                      > provide a finished gold plate for the Presentation any time soon. No
                      > word as to the reason for changing platers, but I hope they find a
                      > good one.
                      >
                      I suspect they didn't get the results they wanted from the old plater. Remember, they had NUMEROUS "seconds" for poor plating, pitting, etc., during the past couple of years.

                      7 3
                      Earl

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                    • ve7bgp
                      Hello All on this Thread In September I got a old 54 Blue Racer that was in really nice shape except the Paint was peeling off it it was not primed properly
                      Message 10 of 21 , Dec 11, 2008
                        Hello All on this Thread
                        In September I got a old '54 Blue Racer that was in really nice shape
                        except the Paint was peeling off it it was not primed properly in the
                        Factory. I wanted to refinish the base of that bug. The Rivets on the
                        plate was my worst worry about doing that job. The Rivets punched out
                        nicely with a little hand punch my Dad made out of an old Choke Cable
                        from a wrecked car. I got the base nicely refinished in Tremclad Gray
                        Hammertone and let it set a couple of days. The first part to put on
                        the Bug when you are reassembling it is the label. I lined the label
                        and started the pins with a Fine Needle nosed Pliers. I used the
                        Plastic Handle of a medium sized screwdriver to gently drive in the
                        rivets. They are easy to put in and do not need much force at all. I
                        hope that helps.
                        73
                        Gerry VE7BGP
                      • Jack B.
                        My new gold-plated brass plate has been plated with electroless nickel plate, .0003 min thick, followed by bright hard gold plate, .000010 thick . I don t
                        Message 11 of 21 , Dec 23, 2008
                          My new gold-plated brass plate has been plated with "electroless
                          nickel plate, .0003 min thick, followed by bright hard gold plate,
                          .000010 thick". I don't know how much better this is than the plating
                          originally put on by Vibroplex, but it sure looks great! I
                          re-inserted the rivet pins using the inverted screwdriver technique
                          mentioned by Gerry.

                          There were some hardships regarding the plate, which I have posted on
                          my web site:

                          http://members.tcq.net/nzeronv/presentation_bug_227915_gpbp.pdf

                          Thanks for all the helpful advice from everyone.

                          73,

                          Jack - N0NV
                        • Jack B.
                          P.S. I think I ll have that drink now. .... .. -Jack-
                          Message 12 of 21 , Dec 23, 2008
                            P.S. I think I'll have that drink now.
                            .... ..

                            -Jack-


                            --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@...> wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > My new gold-plated brass plate has been plated with "electroless
                            > nickel plate, .0003 min thick, followed by bright hard gold plate,
                            > .000010 thick". I don't know how much better this is than the plating
                            > originally put on by Vibroplex, but it sure looks great! I
                            > re-inserted the rivet pins using the inverted screwdriver technique
                            > mentioned by Gerry.
                            >
                            > There were some hardships regarding the plate, which I have posted on
                            > my web site:
                            >
                            > http://members.tcq.net/nzeronv/presentation_bug_227915_gpbp.pdf
                            >
                            > Thanks for all the helpful advice from everyone.
                            >
                            > 73,
                            >
                            > Jack - N0NV
                            >
                          • Ron Johnson
                            Well done Jack. A shame it s not full size but it looks good. Yes, go and get that drink and have a great Christmas. Regards, Ron g3xov ... From: Jack B.
                            Message 13 of 21 , Dec 23, 2008
                              Well done Jack. A shame it's not full size but it looks good.
                              Yes, go and get that drink and have a great Christmas.
                              Regards, Ron g3xov


                              --- On Tue, 23/12/08, Jack B. <nzeronv@...> wrote:
                              From: Jack B. <nzeronv@...>
                              Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Vibroplex Rivets - Replacing the Presentation Plate
                              To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Tuesday, 23 December, 2008, 11:27 PM



                              P.S. I think I'll have that drink now.
                              .... ..

                              -Jack-

                              --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups .com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@... > wrote:
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > My new gold-plated brass plate has been plated with "electroless
                              > nickel plate, .0003 min thick, followed by bright hard gold plate,
                              > .000010 thick". I don't know how much better this is than the plating
                              > originally put on by Vibroplex, but it sure looks great! I
                              > re-inserted the rivet pins using the inverted screwdriver technique
                              > mentioned by Gerry.
                              >
                              > There were some hardships regarding the plate, which I have posted on
                              > my web site:
                              >
                              > http://members. tcq.net/nzeronv/ presentation_ bug_227915_ gpbp.pdf
                              >
                              > Thanks for all the helpful advice from everyone.
                              >
                              > 73,
                              >
                              > Jack - N0NV
                              >

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