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  • Richard Meiss
    Hi, Jack - While I have not done the operation that you are describing, here is one suggestion. A very narrow punch is going to be hard to obtain, especially
    Message 1 of 21 , Dec 1, 2008
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      Hi, Jack -

           While I have not done the operation that you are describing, here is one suggestion.  A very narrow punch is going to be hard to obtain, especially if it is to fit the holes in the key base.  A possible solution is to measure the diameter of the hole by testing it with a series of drill bits of known size.  Then obtain a "drill blank" in that size.  This is a piece of drill rod without anything done to it, and it can be used as a punch. As to removing the Vibroplex label, I will defer to those who know (and listen intently, because I need to know this as well.

          73 de Rich, WB9LPU
         http://wb9lpu.googlepages.com



      -----Original Message-----
      From: "Jack B."
      Sent: Dec 1, 2008 4:23 PM
      To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [cw_bugs] Vibroplex Rivets


      I'd like to replace the gold-plated brass plate on a Vibroplex
      Presentation bug. My question is, how difficult is it to replace the
      rivets which hold down the ID plate? Is it simply a matter of
      punching them out from the bottom, then hammering them in from the top
      afterward? If that's the case, I'll need a very narrow punch to drive
      them out.

      Thanks / 73

      Jack - N0NV

    • David Ring
      Hello Jack, Go to any hardware store and purchase a 1/16 inch pin punch. Take it home, and unassemble your bug - you might want to download the exploded
      Message 2 of 21 , Dec 1, 2008
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        Hello Jack,

        Go to any hardware store and purchase a 1/16 inch pin punch. Take it
        home, and unassemble your bug - you might want to download the
        exploded diagram of the Original bug to do so. I reassemble the
        various layers of machine screws, insulation straps, washers,
        conducting straps, insulating feed through inserts, binding posts and
        so forth just as they were installed - but I use a small piece of a
        torn off card which I punch to show where the base went! This saves
        me time when reassembling the key. When the base is cleared of parts,
        you will have only three parts left - the base itself, the gold plated
        brass plate, the Vibroplex serial number tag which is held by two
        rivets. Turn the base over, place over two solid objects - two small
        lengths of 2x4 or two books will do nicely, and position the base
        bottom side up so that it is supported by the two books so that only
        the ends are supported leaving the center of the base unsupported.

        Take a small tack hammer and the pin punch, position the punch over
        one of the rivets and tap gently. Repeat as needed until you move the
        rivet outward from the top. When you have about half of the rivet
        out, you can grasp the shaft with a chain nose pliers and gently twist
        both side to side and upward and the rivet will come out. Repeat for
        the other rivet.

        There is a device that I've seen, but never used, nor do I own one,
        that is like the nail set (device for countersinking nails into wood)
        but the end is like a bored out like a hollow rounded half walnut
        shell. The device fits over the head of the rivet and does not cover
        it so that the device comes below the head of the rivet: In this way
        it is useful for tapping the rivet back into the hole and because it
        does not extend below the head of the rivet, it does not mar the base.
        I don't have one, so I use a tack hammer and then when I get near to
        fully inserting the rivet, I get a piece of cardboard which is notched
        and place it around the rivet, or more recently I use a flat chisel
        parallel to the base and hit it with the tack hammer until the rivet
        is fully inserted. I have been very successful with this method,
        except for the first time when I did not take all these precautions.
        My failure resulted in hitting the rivet with a nail set which wasn't
        hollowed out, the hammer hit the nail set as intended, but the nail
        set slipped and made a decorative indentation in the chrome plated
        base. This resulted in a fabulous memory of popular cuss words that I
        once heard a bo's'n sing when hitting his thumb with a heavy hammer.
        I thought I had forgotten the merry language of my merchant marine
        (navy) days, but I sung an equal song when I saw what I had done. I
        had the base re-chromed and profited from my error and cussing song.

        You would be better advised to have the original gold plated plate
        replated professionally with a heavy 24k plate as the Vibroplex
        plating - as you have already noticed - leaves much to be desired. I
        had this done and the results were magnificent. If I remember
        correctly this consisted of stripping the metal to bare brass, copper
        plating, nickel plating then 24k gold. The Industrial gold plate (if
        I remember correctly) is the thickest gold plate - about 20 microns.

        I hope this is helpful.

        73

        DR

        David Ring, N1EA
        -30-

        On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Jack B. <nzeronv@...> wrote:
        >
        > I'd like to replace the gold-plated brass plate on a Vibroplex
        > Presentation bug. My question is, how difficult is it to replace the
        > rivets which hold down the ID plate? Is it simply a matter of
        > punching them out from the bottom, then hammering them in from the top
        > afterward? If that's the case, I'll need a very narrow punch to drive
        > them out.
        >
        > Thanks / 73
        >
        > Jack - N0NV
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > ------------------------------------
        >
        > Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
        >
        >
        >
      • k4oso
        I d just like to add to what David has said. I have removed several of these pins. If you re lucky, it will cooperate with your pin punch as David described.
        Message 3 of 21 , Dec 1, 2008
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          I'd just like to add to what David has said. I have removed several
          of these pins. If you're lucky, it will cooperate with your pin
          punch as David described. But it bears mentioning that some of these
          pins are "rough" (lookes kinda like rebar), for lack of a better
          term, to provide extra bite so they stay put. If you get a stubborn
          one, your pin punch might not be hard enough to resist the pressure
          and will bend. Patience is important at this juncture. Don't do
          like I did.....added temper to the pin, with the result that it
          shattered like glass. Sometimes just changing the angle of attack
          slightly when knocking out the pin will do the job. I learned this
          lesson and am now using a MUCH shorter pin punch.

          Good luck, and have fun.
          Milt k4oso

          --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "David Ring" <n1ea@...> wrote:
          >
          > Hello Jack,
          >
          > Go to any hardware store and purchase a 1/16 inch pin punch. Take
          it
          > home, and unassemble your bug - you might want to download the
          > exploded diagram of the Original bug to do so. I reassemble the
          > various layers of machine screws, insulation straps, washers,
          > conducting straps, insulating feed through inserts, binding posts
          and
          > so forth just as they were installed - but I use a small piece of a
          > torn off card which I punch to show where the base went! This saves
          > me time when reassembling the key. When the base is cleared of
          parts,
          > you will have only three parts left - the base itself, the gold
          plated
          > brass plate, the Vibroplex serial number tag which is held by two
          > rivets. Turn the base over, place over two solid objects - two
          small
          > lengths of 2x4 or two books will do nicely, and position the base
          > bottom side up so that it is supported by the two books so that only
          > the ends are supported leaving the center of the base unsupported.
          >
          > Take a small tack hammer and the pin punch, position the punch over
          > one of the rivets and tap gently. Repeat as needed until you move
          the
          > rivet outward from the top. When you have about half of the rivet
          > out, you can grasp the shaft with a chain nose pliers and gently
          twist
          > both side to side and upward and the rivet will come out. Repeat
          for
          > the other rivet.
          >
          > There is a device that I've seen, but never used, nor do I own one,
          > that is like the nail set (device for countersinking nails into
          wood)
          > but the end is like a bored out like a hollow rounded half walnut
          > shell. The device fits over the head of the rivet and does not
          cover
          > it so that the device comes below the head of the rivet: In this
          way
          > it is useful for tapping the rivet back into the hole and because it
          > does not extend below the head of the rivet, it does not mar the
          base.
          > I don't have one, so I use a tack hammer and then when I get near
          to
          > fully inserting the rivet, I get a piece of cardboard which is
          notched
          > and place it around the rivet, or more recently I use a flat chisel
          > parallel to the base and hit it with the tack hammer until the rivet
          > is fully inserted. I have been very successful with this method,
          > except for the first time when I did not take all these precautions.
          > My failure resulted in hitting the rivet with a nail set which
          wasn't
          > hollowed out, the hammer hit the nail set as intended, but the nail
          > set slipped and made a decorative indentation in the chrome plated
          > base. This resulted in a fabulous memory of popular cuss words
          that I
          > once heard a bo's'n sing when hitting his thumb with a heavy hammer.
          > I thought I had forgotten the merry language of my merchant marine
          > (navy) days, but I sung an equal song when I saw what I had done. I
          > had the base re-chromed and profited from my error and cussing song.
          >
          > You would be better advised to have the original gold plated plate
          > replated professionally with a heavy 24k plate as the Vibroplex
          > plating - as you have already noticed - leaves much to be desired.
          I
          > had this done and the results were magnificent. If I remember
          > correctly this consisted of stripping the metal to bare brass,
          copper
          > plating, nickel plating then 24k gold. The Industrial gold plate
          (if
          > I remember correctly) is the thickest gold plate - about 20 microns.
          >
          > I hope this is helpful.
          >
          > 73
          >
          > DR
          >
          > David Ring, N1EA
          > -30-
          >
          > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Jack B. <nzeronv@...> wrote:
          > >
          > > I'd like to replace the gold-plated brass plate on a Vibroplex
          > > Presentation bug. My question is, how difficult is it to replace
          the
          > > rivets which hold down the ID plate? Is it simply a matter of
          > > punching them out from the bottom, then hammering them in from
          the top
          > > afterward? If that's the case, I'll need a very narrow punch to
          drive
          > > them out.
          > >
          > > Thanks / 73
          > >
          > > Jack - N0NV
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > ------------------------------------
          > >
          > > Yahoo! Groups Links
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
        • Jack B.
          Thanks gentlemen, I appreciate the details in what to do, and what not to do. First I ll have to buy the pin punch. I ll punch the pins only as far as I
          Message 4 of 21 , Dec 1, 2008
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            Thanks gentlemen,

            I appreciate the details in what to do, and what not to do. First
            I'll have to buy the pin punch. I'll punch the pins only as far as I
            must, then pull from the top side (if I understand correctly).

            Will I need to use an adhesive or glue to re-install the plate?
            Previously, Duco cement worked well when re-installing a rivetless /
            pinless serial number plate onto a painted base. I wonder if this or
            something similar is needed for the Presentation's gold-plated brass
            plate.

            Thanks again,

            Jack, N0NV



            --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "k4oso" <k4oso@...> wrote:
            >
            > I'd just like to add to what David has said. I have removed several
            > of these pins. If you're lucky, it will cooperate with your pin
            > punch as David described. But it bears mentioning that some of these
            > pins are "rough" (lookes kinda like rebar), for lack of a better
            > term, to provide extra bite so they stay put. If you get a stubborn
            > one, your pin punch might not be hard enough to resist the pressure
            > and will bend. Patience is important at this juncture. Don't do
            > like I did.....added temper to the pin, with the result that it
            > shattered like glass. Sometimes just changing the angle of attack
            > slightly when knocking out the pin will do the job. I learned this
            > lesson and am now using a MUCH shorter pin punch.
            >
            > Good luck, and have fun.
            > Milt k4oso
            >
            > --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "David Ring" <n1ea@> wrote:
            > >
            > > Hello Jack,
            > >
            > > Go to any hardware store and purchase a 1/16 inch pin punch. Take
            > it
            > > home, and unassemble your bug - you might want to download the
            > > exploded diagram of the Original bug to do so. I reassemble the
            > > various layers of machine screws, insulation straps, washers,
            > > conducting straps, insulating feed through inserts, binding posts
            > and
            > > so forth just as they were installed - but I use a small piece of a
            > > torn off card which I punch to show where the base went! This saves
            > > me time when reassembling the key. When the base is cleared of
            > parts,
            > > you will have only three parts left - the base itself, the gold
            > plated
            > > brass plate, the Vibroplex serial number tag which is held by two
            > > rivets. Turn the base over, place over two solid objects - two
            > small
            > > lengths of 2x4 or two books will do nicely, and position the base
            > > bottom side up so that it is supported by the two books so that only
            > > the ends are supported leaving the center of the base unsupported.
            > >
            > > Take a small tack hammer and the pin punch, position the punch over
            > > one of the rivets and tap gently. Repeat as needed until you move
            > the
            > > rivet outward from the top. When you have about half of the rivet
            > > out, you can grasp the shaft with a chain nose pliers and gently
            > twist
            > > both side to side and upward and the rivet will come out. Repeat
            > for
            > > the other rivet.
            > >
            > > There is a device that I've seen, but never used, nor do I own one,
            > > that is like the nail set (device for countersinking nails into
            > wood)
            > > but the end is like a bored out like a hollow rounded half walnut
            > > shell. The device fits over the head of the rivet and does not
            > cover
            > > it so that the device comes below the head of the rivet: In this
            > way
            > > it is useful for tapping the rivet back into the hole and because it
            > > does not extend below the head of the rivet, it does not mar the
            > base.
            > > I don't have one, so I use a tack hammer and then when I get near
            > to
            > > fully inserting the rivet, I get a piece of cardboard which is
            > notched
            > > and place it around the rivet, or more recently I use a flat chisel
            > > parallel to the base and hit it with the tack hammer until the rivet
            > > is fully inserted. I have been very successful with this method,
            > > except for the first time when I did not take all these precautions.
            > > My failure resulted in hitting the rivet with a nail set which
            > wasn't
            > > hollowed out, the hammer hit the nail set as intended, but the nail
            > > set slipped and made a decorative indentation in the chrome plated
            > > base. This resulted in a fabulous memory of popular cuss words
            > that I
            > > once heard a bo's'n sing when hitting his thumb with a heavy hammer.
            > > I thought I had forgotten the merry language of my merchant marine
            > > (navy) days, but I sung an equal song when I saw what I had done. I
            > > had the base re-chromed and profited from my error and cussing song.
            > >
            > > You would be better advised to have the original gold plated plate
            > > replated professionally with a heavy 24k plate as the Vibroplex
            > > plating - as you have already noticed - leaves much to be desired.
            > I
            > > had this done and the results were magnificent. If I remember
            > > correctly this consisted of stripping the metal to bare brass,
            > copper
            > > plating, nickel plating then 24k gold. The Industrial gold plate
            > (if
            > > I remember correctly) is the thickest gold plate - about 20 microns.
            > >
            > > I hope this is helpful.
            > >
            > > 73
            > >
            > > DR
            > >
            > > David Ring, N1EA
            > > -30-
            > >
            > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Jack B. <nzeronv@> wrote:
            > > >
            > > > I'd like to replace the gold-plated brass plate on a Vibroplex
            > > > Presentation bug. My question is, how difficult is it to replace
            > the
            > > > rivets which hold down the ID plate? Is it simply a matter of
            > > > punching them out from the bottom, then hammering them in from
            > the top
            > > > afterward? If that's the case, I'll need a very narrow punch to
            > drive
            > > > them out.
            > > >
            > > > Thanks / 73
            > > >
            > > > Jack - N0NV
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > ------------------------------------
            > > >
            > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
            >
          • wz4cw@comcast.net
            As I recall, all the Bug parts on top of the Gold Plated Brass Plate (GPBP) act like nuts . Then the screws go into the Bug parts from the bottom of the
            Message 5 of 21 , Dec 3, 2008
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              As I recall, all the Bug parts on top of the Gold Plated Brass Plate (GPBP) act like "nuts".  Then the screws go into the Bug parts from the bottom of the base.  That's what holds the GPBP down.  I don't recall any glue  being necessary.
              73     Carl  WZ4CW,   SKCC 918,    FISTS 13491
               
               
            • David Ring
              Present day serial number Vibroplex aren t riveted, they re glued with Duco. That makes them much harder - if not impossible - to restore. Similarly, the red
              Message 6 of 21 , Dec 3, 2008
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                Present day serial number Vibroplex aren't riveted, they're glued with Duco.  That makes them much harder - if not impossible - to restore.

                Similarly, the "red decorative piece" that fits into the top of the yoke where the top trunnion screw usually goes (and still can go) is - in the new models - glued with Duco cement rather than being a small red plastic part with machined threads to fit the bore in the yoke as they used to be from 1949 to about 1990 when this part was introduced due to WW2 models having "operators misadjustment problems" caused by over tightening the top trunnion screw until the jewel cracked.

                DO NOT glue the baseplate - you'll never remove it again if you do.

                Also, send the plate out for replating - it will cost you more to strip, plate with copper, nickle and flash with heavy 24k gold than to buy a new one from Vibroplex, but the looks and the quality will be exceedingly better and it will last much much longer.  In other words, the last time - before gold went up in price - it would cost $60 to replate.  It might be $65 to $80 now with the increase in gold - but remember it's only a flash of gold - get the HEAVY plate on it.  Vibroplex does an inexpensive job in their effort to keep costs reasonable, but if you're restoring, you're going to spend the money anyway, so why not do it right.  The majority of the cost in gold plate is the preparation work - you have to strip, polish, plate copper, plate nickel, then gold plate.  So it is more than meets the usual person's understanding and thus they think they're being over charged, which they're usually not.  But shop around, if you know a person who does musical instruments, ask that person as that is the quality you want.  I can't overstate the prudence that doing the job with a good plater rather than buying a replacement will make to your finished product in both looks and in durability.

                73
                DR

                David Ring, N1EA
                -30-

                On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:19 AM, <wz4cw@...> wrote:
                As I recall, all the Bug parts on top of the Gold Plated Brass Plate (GPBP) act like "nuts".  Then the screws go into the Bug parts from the bottom of the base.  That's what holds the GPBP down.  I don't recall any glue  being necessary.
                73     Carl  WZ4CW,   SKCC 918,    FISTS 13491
                 
                 

              • Jack B.
                No Glue - understood! First I ll have to flatten out the front lip of the plate (it was caught and bent up a bit by a previous owner), then decide if it will
                Message 7 of 21 , Dec 3, 2008
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                  No Glue - understood!

                  First I'll have to flatten out the front lip of the plate (it was
                  caught and bent up a bit by a previous owner), then decide if it will
                  look good enough to re-use.

                  You'll be happy to know that Vibroplex switched back to using riveted
                  serial number plates when W4OA took over the operation in the 1990's.
                  http://www.vibroplex.com/original_bug.html
                  I can verify this with new bugs that I've purchased in the last couple
                  years. Whether or not there's glue in addition to this, I don't know.

                  My new bugs also have convex shaped contacts for both dot and dash,
                  while my older bugs have flat contacts.

                  73,

                  Jack - N0NV




                  --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "David Ring" <n1ea@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Present day serial number Vibroplex aren't riveted, they're glued with
                  > Duco. That makes them much harder - if not impossible - to restore.
                  >
                  > Similarly, the "red decorative piece" that fits into the top of the yoke
                  > where the top trunnion screw usually goes (and still can go) is - in
                  the new
                  > models - glued with Duco cement rather than being a small red
                  plastic part
                  > with machined threads to fit the bore in the yoke as they used to be
                  from
                  > 1949 to about 1990 when this part was introduced due to WW2 models
                  having
                  > "operators misadjustment problems" caused by over tightening the top
                  > trunnion screw until the jewel cracked.
                  >
                  > DO NOT glue the baseplate - you'll never remove it again if you do.
                  >
                  > Also, send the plate out for replating - it will cost you more to strip,
                  > plate with copper, nickle and flash with heavy 24k gold than to buy
                  a new
                  > one from Vibroplex, but the looks and the quality will be
                  exceedingly better
                  > and it will last much much longer. In other words, the last time -
                  before
                  > gold went up in price - it would cost $60 to replate. It might be
                  $65 to
                  > $80 now with the increase in gold - but remember it's only a flash
                  of gold -
                  > get the HEAVY plate on it. Vibroplex does an inexpensive job in their
                  > effort to keep costs reasonable, but if you're restoring, you're
                  going to
                  > spend the money anyway, so why not do it right. The majority of the
                  cost in
                  > gold plate is the preparation work - you have to strip, polish, plate
                  > copper, plate nickel, then gold plate. So it is more than meets the
                  usual
                  > person's understanding and thus they think they're being over
                  charged, which
                  > they're usually not. But shop around, if you know a person who does
                  musical
                  > instruments, ask that person as that is the quality you want. I can't
                  > overstate the prudence that doing the job with a good plater rather than
                  > buying a replacement will make to your finished product in both
                  looks and in
                  > durability.
                  >
                  > 73
                  > DR
                  >
                  > David Ring, N1EA
                  > -30-
                  >
                  > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:19 AM, <wz4cw@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > > As I recall, all the Bug parts on top of the Gold Plated Brass Plate
                  > > (GPBP) act like "nuts". Then the screws go into the Bug parts
                  from the
                  > > bottom of the base. That's what holds the GPBP down. I don't
                  recall any
                  > > glue being necessary.
                  > > 73 Carl WZ4CW, SKCC 918, FISTS 13491
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
                • Pete Haddad
                  Hello All, I was just emailing a friend of mine, Bill, W4HEX and he has a response to this topic. I am attaching it below. We are both bug nuts, along with
                  Message 8 of 21 , Dec 3, 2008
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                    Hello All,

                    I was just emailing a friend of mine, Bill, W4HEX and he has a
                    response to this topic. I am attaching it below. We are both bug
                    nuts, along with Randy KB4QQJ, and Milt K4OSO and we try to be
                    followers of WR Smith W4PAL the Key Restoration King..hi hi..but seem
                    to come up with some help to one another on occassion.. anyway
                    enjoyed the conversation and here are Bill's comments...

                    Pete -

                    You might add to the discussion that there is a source for
                    replacement rivets if ever needed. I can machine these and currently
                    have a few in stock. Mine will have to be plated as desired.

                    - Bill

                    I dont think Bill W4HEX is a member of the group so here is his email
                    address ki4nov@... . yes this is correct it is his old
                    call....hi..

                    73

                    Pete W5PEH


                    --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@...> wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    > I'd like to replace the gold-plated brass plate on a Vibroplex
                    > Presentation bug. My question is, how difficult is it to replace
                    the
                    > rivets which hold down the ID plate? Is it simply a matter of
                    > punching them out from the bottom, then hammering them in from the
                    top
                    > afterward? If that's the case, I'll need a very narrow punch to
                    drive
                    > them out.
                    >
                    > Thanks / 73
                    >
                    > Jack - N0NV
                    >
                  • David Ring
                    You re right - I just checked my BR2000 key - it has rivets! Bravo. And the contacts, double bravo! Things are getting better! 73 DR
                    Message 9 of 21 , Dec 3, 2008
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                      You're right - I just checked my BR2000 key - it has rivets!  Bravo.  And the contacts, double bravo!

                      Things are getting better!

                      73
                      DR

                      On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Jack B. <nzeronv@...> wrote:


                      No Glue - understood!

                      First I'll have to flatten out the front lip of the plate (it was
                      caught and bent up a bit by a previous owner), then decide if it will
                      look good enough to re-use.

                      You'll be happy to know that Vibroplex switched back to using riveted
                      serial number plates when W4OA took over the operation in the 1990's.
                      http://www.vibroplex.com/original_bug.html
                      I can verify this with new bugs that I've purchased in the last couple
                      years.  Whether or not there's glue in addition to this, I don't know.

                      My new bugs also have convex shaped contacts for both dot and dash,
                      while my older bugs have flat contacts.

                      73,

                      Jack - N0NV




                      --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "David Ring" <n1ea@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Present day serial number Vibroplex aren't riveted, they're glued with
                      > Duco.  That makes them much harder - if not impossible - to restore.
                      >
                      > Similarly, the "red decorative piece" that fits into the top of the yoke
                      > where the top trunnion screw usually goes (and still can go) is - in
                      the new
                      > models - glued with Duco cement rather than being a small red
                      plastic part
                      > with machined threads to fit the bore in the yoke as they used to be
                      from
                      > 1949 to about 1990 when this part was introduced due to WW2 models
                      having
                      > "operators misadjustment problems" caused by over tightening the top
                      > trunnion screw until the jewel cracked.
                      >
                      > DO NOT glue the baseplate - you'll never remove it again if you do.
                      >
                      > Also, send the plate out for replating - it will cost you more to strip,
                      > plate with copper, nickle and flash with heavy 24k gold than to buy
                      a new
                      > one from Vibroplex, but the looks and the quality will be
                      exceedingly better
                      > and it will last much much longer.  In other words, the last time -
                      before
                      > gold went up in price - it would cost $60 to replate.  It might be
                      $65 to
                      > $80 now with the increase in gold - but remember it's only a flash
                      of gold -
                      > get the HEAVY plate on it.  Vibroplex does an inexpensive job in their
                      > effort to keep costs reasonable, but if you're restoring, you're
                      going to
                      > spend the money anyway, so why not do it right.  The majority of the
                      cost in
                      > gold plate is the preparation work - you have to strip, polish, plate
                      > copper, plate nickel, then gold plate.  So it is more than meets the
                      usual
                      > person's understanding and thus they think they're being over
                      charged, which
                      > they're usually not.  But shop around, if you know a person who does
                      musical
                      > instruments, ask that person as that is the quality you want.  I can't
                      > overstate the prudence that doing the job with a good plater rather than
                      > buying a replacement will make to your finished product in both
                      looks and in
                      > durability.
                      >
                      > 73
                      > DR
                      >
                      > David Ring, N1EA
                      > -30-
                      >
                      > On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:19 AM, <wz4cw@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > >  As I recall, all the Bug parts on top of the Gold Plated Brass Plate
                      > > (GPBP) act like "nuts".  Then the screws go into the Bug parts
                      from the
                      > > bottom of the base.  That's what holds the GPBP down.  I don't
                      recall any
                      > > glue  being necessary.
                      > > 73     Carl  WZ4CW,   SKCC 918,    FISTS 13491
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      >



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                    • Jack B.
                      I was able to borrow a pin punch, which worked very well indeed. After inspecting the gold-plated plate, I decided to buy a new one from Vibroplex because the
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                        I was able to borrow a pin punch, which worked very well indeed.
                        After inspecting the gold-plated plate, I decided to buy a new one
                        from Vibroplex because the original was too bent up at the front.
                        Also, I like to patronize the factory when it's practical to do so.

                        I'll have to make sure I have a punch that won't slip off the rivets
                        as I re-install things later. I want this to be a curse-free job.

                        When I'm done, this will be my best bug -- functionally and
                        cosmetically. A nice Christmas gift from me to me.

                        73,

                        Jack - N0NV



                        --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@...> wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        > I'd like to replace the gold-plated brass plate on a Vibroplex
                        > Presentation bug. My question is, how difficult is it to replace the
                        > rivets which hold down the ID plate? Is it simply a matter of
                        > punching them out from the bottom, then hammering them in from the top
                        > afterward? If that's the case, I'll need a very narrow punch to drive
                        > them out.
                        >
                        > Thanks / 73
                        >
                        > Jack - N0NV
                        >
                      • Ron Johnson
                        Best of luck Jack. Have a drink AFTER you ve done it. 73 Ron g3xov ... From: Jack B. Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Vibroplex Rivets To:
                        Message 11 of 21 , Dec 8, 2008
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                          Best of luck Jack. Have a drink AFTER you've done it.
                          73 Ron g3xov


                          --- On Mon, 8/12/08, Jack B. <nzeronv@...> wrote:
                          From: Jack B. <nzeronv@...>
                          Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Vibroplex Rivets
                          To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Monday, 8 December, 2008, 6:29 PM


                          I was able to borrow a pin punch, which worked very well indeed.
                          After inspecting the gold-plated plate, I decided to buy a new one
                          from Vibroplex because the original was too bent up at the front.
                          Also, I like to patronize the factory when it's practical to do so.

                          I'll have to make sure I have a punch that won't slip off the rivets
                          as I re-install things later. I want this to be a curse-free job.

                          When I'm done, this will be my best bug -- functionally and
                          cosmetically. A nice Christmas gift from me to me.

                          73,

                          Jack - N0NV

                          --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups .com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@... > wrote:
                          >
                          >
                          > I'd like to replace the gold-plated brass plate on a Vibroplex
                          > Presentation bug. My question is, how difficult is it to replace the
                          > rivets which hold down the ID plate? Is it simply a matter of
                          > punching them out from the bottom, then hammering them in from the top
                          > afterward? If that's the case, I'll need a very narrow punch to drive
                          > them out.
                          >
                          > Thanks / 73
                          >
                          > Jack - N0NV
                          >

                        • Jack B.
                          Rest assured, only the bug will be having a punch and getting hammered (.... ..) Jack - N0NV
                          Message 12 of 21 , Dec 8, 2008
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                            Rest assured, only the bug will be 'having a punch' and 'getting
                            hammered' (.... ..)

                            Jack - N0NV



                            --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, Ron Johnson <ron538@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Best of luck Jack. Have a drink AFTER you've done it.
                            > 73 Ron g3xov
                            >
                            >
                            > --- On Mon, 8/12/08, Jack B. <nzeronv@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > From: Jack B. <nzeronv@...>
                            > Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Vibroplex Rivets
                            > To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                            > Date: Monday, 8 December, 2008, 6:29 PM
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > I was able to borrow a pin punch, which worked very well indeed.
                            > After inspecting the gold-plated plate, I decided to buy a new one
                            > from Vibroplex because the original was too bent up at the front.
                            > Also, I like to patronize the factory when it's practical to do so.
                            >
                            > I'll have to make sure I have a punch that won't slip off the rivets
                            > as I re-install things later. I want this to be a curse-free job.
                            >
                            > When I'm done, this will be my best bug -- functionally and
                            > cosmetically. A nice Christmas gift from me to me.
                            >
                            > 73,
                            >
                            > Jack - N0NV
                            >
                            > --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups .com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@ > wrote:
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > I'd like to replace the gold-plated brass plate on a Vibroplex
                            > > Presentation bug. My question is, how difficult is it to replace the
                            > > rivets which hold down the ID plate? Is it simply a matter of
                            > > punching them out from the bottom, then hammering them in from the top
                            > > afterward? If that's the case, I'll need a very narrow punch to drive
                            > > them out.
                            > >
                            > > Thanks / 73
                            > >
                            > > Jack - N0NV
                            > >
                            >
                          • Richard Meiss
                            Hi, Jack - To protect against slips , get a flat piece of metal or plexiglass plastic and drill a hole through it just the diameter of the rivet s head. Put
                            Message 13 of 21 , Dec 8, 2008
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                              Hi, Jack -

                                   To protect against "slips", get a flat piece of metal or plexiglass plastic and drill a hole through it just the diameter of the rivet's head.  Put the rivet through this and start it into the hole, then use the pin punch.  The drilled hole will prevent the punch from slipping off.  Then have the drink.

                                   73 de Rich, WB9LPU



                              -----Original Message-----
                              From: "Jack B."
                              Sent: Dec 8, 2008 4:59 PM
                              To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Vibroplex Rivets


                              Rest assured, only the bug will be 'having a punch' and 'getting
                              hammered' (.... ..)

                              Jack - N0NV

                              --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups .com, Ron Johnson <ron538@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Best of luck Jack. Have a drink AFTER you've done it.
                              > 73 Ron g3xov
                              >
                              >
                              > --- On Mon, 8/12/08, Jack B. <nzeronv@... > wrote:
                              >
                              > From: Jack B. <nzeronv@... >
                              > Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Vibroplex Rivets
                              > To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups .com
                              > Date: Monday, 8 December, 2008, 6:29 PM
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > I was able to borrow a pin punch, which worked very well indeed.
                              > After inspecting the gold-plated plate, I decided to buy a new one
                              > from Vibroplex because the original was too bent up at the front.
                              > Also, I like to patronize the factory when it's practical to do so.
                              >
                              > I'll have to make sure I have a punch that won't slip off the rivets
                              > as I re-install things later. I want this to be a curse-free job.
                              >
                              > When I'm done, this will be my best bug -- functionally and
                              > cosmetically. A nice Christmas gift from me to me.
                              >
                              > 73,
                              >
                              > Jack - N0NV
                              >
                              > --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups .com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@ > wrote:
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > I'd like to replace the gold-plated brass plate on a Vibroplex
                              > > Presentation bug. My question is, how difficult is it to replace the
                              > > rivets which hold down the ID plate? Is it simply a matter of
                              > > punching them out from the bottom, then hammering them in from the top
                              > > afterward? If that's the case, I'll need a very narrow punch to drive
                              > > them out.
                              > >
                              > > Thanks / 73
                              > >
                              > > Jack - N0NV
                              > >
                              >

                            • Jack B.
                              I called Vibroplex and I was told they are in the process of changing the vendor who does their chrome and gold plating, so they can t provide a finished gold
                              Message 14 of 21 , Dec 9, 2008
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                                I called Vibroplex and I was told they are in the process of changing
                                the vendor who does their chrome and gold plating, so they can't
                                provide a finished gold plate for the Presentation any time soon. No
                                word as to the reason for changing platers, but I hope they find a
                                good one.

                                Looks like I'll have to straighten out the old brass and use a local
                                plater after all.

                                Jack - N0NV



                                --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@...> wrote:
                                >
                                >
                                > I was able to borrow a pin punch, which worked very well indeed.
                                > After inspecting the gold-plated plate, I decided to buy a new one
                                > from Vibroplex because the original was too bent up at the front.
                                > Also, I like to patronize the factory when it's practical to do so.
                                >
                                > I'll have to make sure I have a punch that won't slip off the rivets
                                > as I re-install things later. I want this to be a curse-free job.
                                >
                                > When I'm done, this will be my best bug -- functionally and
                                > cosmetically. A nice Christmas gift from me to me.
                                >
                                > 73,
                                >
                                > Jack - N0NV
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@> wrote:
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > I'd like to replace the gold-plated brass plate on a Vibroplex
                                > > Presentation bug. My question is, how difficult is it to replace the
                                > > rivets which hold down the ID plate? Is it simply a matter of
                                > > punching them out from the bottom, then hammering them in from the top
                                > > afterward? If that's the case, I'll need a very narrow punch to drive
                                > > them out.
                                > >
                                > > Thanks / 73
                                > >
                                > > Jack - N0NV
                                > >
                                >
                              • David Ring
                                If you don t want to do this, contact Vibroplex and ask them to sell you an unplated brass overlay used on the Presentation model of the Vibroplex Original
                                Message 15 of 21 , Dec 9, 2008
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                                  If you don't want to do this, contact Vibroplex and ask them to sell you an unplated brass overlay used on the Presentation model of the Vibroplex Original bug, it will fit both the current gold topped Original model and the previous Presentation model.

                                  73

                                  David N1EA

                                  -30-


                                  On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Jack B. <nzeronv@...> wrote:

                                  I called Vibroplex and I was told they are in the process of changing
                                  the vendor who does their chrome and gold plating, so they can't
                                  provide a finished gold plate for the Presentation any time soon. No
                                  word as to the reason for changing platers, but I hope they find a
                                  good one.

                                  Looks like I'll have to straighten out the old brass and use a local
                                  plater after all.

                                  Jack - N0NV



                                  --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > I was able to borrow a pin punch, which worked very well indeed.
                                  > After inspecting the gold-plated plate, I decided to buy a new one
                                  > from Vibroplex because the original was too bent up at the front.
                                  > Also, I like to patronize the factory when it's practical to do so.
                                  >
                                  > I'll have to make sure I have a punch that won't slip off the rivets
                                  > as I re-install things later.  I want this to be a curse-free job.
                                  >
                                  > When I'm done, this will be my best bug -- functionally and
                                  > cosmetically.  A nice Christmas gift from me to me.
                                  >
                                  > 73,
                                  >
                                  > Jack - N0NV
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > I'd like to replace the gold-plated brass plate on a Vibroplex
                                  > > Presentation bug.  My question is, how difficult is it to replace the
                                  > > rivets which hold down the ID plate?  Is it simply a matter of
                                  > > punching them out from the bottom, then hammering them in from the top
                                  > > afterward?  If that's the case, I'll need a very narrow punch to drive
                                  > > them out.
                                  > >
                                  > > Thanks / 73
                                  > >
                                  > > Jack - N0NV
                                  > >
                                  >



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                                • Earl Needham
                                  ... I suspect they didn t get the results they wanted from the old plater. Remember, they had NUMEROUS seconds for poor plating, pitting, etc., during the
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                                    Jack B. wrote:
                                    > I called Vibroplex and I was told they are in the process of changing
                                    > the vendor who does their chrome and gold plating, so they can't
                                    > provide a finished gold plate for the Presentation any time soon. No
                                    > word as to the reason for changing platers, but I hope they find a
                                    > good one.
                                    >
                                    I suspect they didn't get the results they wanted from the old plater. Remember, they had NUMEROUS "seconds" for poor plating, pitting, etc., during the past couple of years.

                                    7 3
                                    Earl

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                                  • ve7bgp
                                    Hello All on this Thread In September I got a old 54 Blue Racer that was in really nice shape except the Paint was peeling off it it was not primed properly
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                                      Hello All on this Thread
                                      In September I got a old '54 Blue Racer that was in really nice shape
                                      except the Paint was peeling off it it was not primed properly in the
                                      Factory. I wanted to refinish the base of that bug. The Rivets on the
                                      plate was my worst worry about doing that job. The Rivets punched out
                                      nicely with a little hand punch my Dad made out of an old Choke Cable
                                      from a wrecked car. I got the base nicely refinished in Tremclad Gray
                                      Hammertone and let it set a couple of days. The first part to put on
                                      the Bug when you are reassembling it is the label. I lined the label
                                      and started the pins with a Fine Needle nosed Pliers. I used the
                                      Plastic Handle of a medium sized screwdriver to gently drive in the
                                      rivets. They are easy to put in and do not need much force at all. I
                                      hope that helps.
                                      73
                                      Gerry VE7BGP
                                    • Jack B.
                                      My new gold-plated brass plate has been plated with electroless nickel plate, .0003 min thick, followed by bright hard gold plate, .000010 thick . I don t
                                      Message 18 of 21 , Dec 23, 2008
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                                        My new gold-plated brass plate has been plated with "electroless
                                        nickel plate, .0003 min thick, followed by bright hard gold plate,
                                        .000010 thick". I don't know how much better this is than the plating
                                        originally put on by Vibroplex, but it sure looks great! I
                                        re-inserted the rivet pins using the inverted screwdriver technique
                                        mentioned by Gerry.

                                        There were some hardships regarding the plate, which I have posted on
                                        my web site:

                                        http://members.tcq.net/nzeronv/presentation_bug_227915_gpbp.pdf

                                        Thanks for all the helpful advice from everyone.

                                        73,

                                        Jack - N0NV
                                      • Jack B.
                                        P.S. I think I ll have that drink now. .... .. -Jack-
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                                          P.S. I think I'll have that drink now.
                                          .... ..

                                          -Jack-


                                          --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > My new gold-plated brass plate has been plated with "electroless
                                          > nickel plate, .0003 min thick, followed by bright hard gold plate,
                                          > .000010 thick". I don't know how much better this is than the plating
                                          > originally put on by Vibroplex, but it sure looks great! I
                                          > re-inserted the rivet pins using the inverted screwdriver technique
                                          > mentioned by Gerry.
                                          >
                                          > There were some hardships regarding the plate, which I have posted on
                                          > my web site:
                                          >
                                          > http://members.tcq.net/nzeronv/presentation_bug_227915_gpbp.pdf
                                          >
                                          > Thanks for all the helpful advice from everyone.
                                          >
                                          > 73,
                                          >
                                          > Jack - N0NV
                                          >
                                        • Ron Johnson
                                          Well done Jack. A shame it s not full size but it looks good. Yes, go and get that drink and have a great Christmas. Regards, Ron g3xov ... From: Jack B.
                                          Message 20 of 21 , Dec 23, 2008
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                                            Well done Jack. A shame it's not full size but it looks good.
                                            Yes, go and get that drink and have a great Christmas.
                                            Regards, Ron g3xov


                                            --- On Tue, 23/12/08, Jack B. <nzeronv@...> wrote:
                                            From: Jack B. <nzeronv@...>
                                            Subject: [cw_bugs] Re: Vibroplex Rivets - Replacing the Presentation Plate
                                            To: cw_bugs@yahoogroups.com
                                            Date: Tuesday, 23 December, 2008, 11:27 PM



                                            P.S. I think I'll have that drink now.
                                            .... ..

                                            -Jack-

                                            --- In cw_bugs@yahoogroups .com, "Jack B." <nzeronv@... > wrote:
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > My new gold-plated brass plate has been plated with "electroless
                                            > nickel plate, .0003 min thick, followed by bright hard gold plate,
                                            > .000010 thick". I don't know how much better this is than the plating
                                            > originally put on by Vibroplex, but it sure looks great! I
                                            > re-inserted the rivet pins using the inverted screwdriver technique
                                            > mentioned by Gerry.
                                            >
                                            > There were some hardships regarding the plate, which I have posted on
                                            > my web site:
                                            >
                                            > http://members. tcq.net/nzeronv/ presentation_ bug_227915_ gpbp.pdf
                                            >
                                            > Thanks for all the helpful advice from everyone.
                                            >
                                            > 73,
                                            >
                                            > Jack - N0NV
                                            >

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