Re: [XTalk] Parable of the Sower
> From the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of theWeren't they the original Ghostbusters? I saw their two films and thought
> Paranormal (CSICOP) webite:
they were great.
> "POLLENS. It was reported that pollens on the shroud proved it came fromWhen someone has something to say you don't like discredit them. Same theme
> Palestine, but the source for the pollens was a freelance criminologist,
> Max Frei, who once pronounced the forged "Hitler Diaries" genuine.
in "The Insider" starring Russel Crowe.
> tape-lifted samples from the Shroud were controversial from the outset1978
> since similar samples taken by the Shroud of Turin Research Project in
> had comparatively few pollens.Now, you've stepped into an area that is very bad for your position. The
STURP team members are all alive and will be glad to inform you that this is
not true. The best website is www.shroud.com run by Barrie Schwartz who was
the photographer for STURP back in 1978. The Shroud photos everyone has
seen are those of Mr. Schwartz, who like Danin and Baruch are all Jewish.
As it turned out, after Frei's tapes were
> examined following his death in 1983, they also had very fewthe
> pollens--except for a particular one that bore a suspicious cluster on
> "lead" (or end), rather than on the portion that had been applied to theThis is science-fiction.
> Some articles by Danin and Baruch on the pollen issue can be found at:appearance.
> I recollect reading somewhere that pollen analysis is problematic as
> pollens from diverse plant species can have virtually identical
Now this is a real problem for you since Gundelia tournefortii is one of the
rarest plants in the whole world.
> And finally, the 16 February 1989 Nature article by Damon et al on theNow I know I mentioned that Dr. Harry Gove admits the C-14 testing done in
> radiocarbon (C14) dating of the Shroud can be found at:
> To me the C14 dating evidence is the strongest piece of evidence and the
> Shroud is a medieval artifact.
1989 has serious flaws which he would like to see rectified. I agree C-14
evidence that shows a radically different date than the expected one needs
to be looked at except when we look at linen. Dr. Rosalie David, the
Manchester Museum, Department of Egyptology, is one scientist who has
published a case example of trouble with ancient linen dates in C-14 that
often date 1,300 years too young. What was discovered was polymerization
resulting from bacterial colonization over time skewing the carbon content.
It was also found that the standard lab cleaning process had no effect on
the polymer and so the specimen tested was tested contaminated. Science is
always our best guide in all things. Gove agrees the C-14 testing went awry
and would like to retest. I am all for it as long as stricker protocols are
made, tighter security and everything is monitored and video tapped
Peace in Christ,
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- William said:
>>I don't follow what is meant by a 2-5x return on planting grainseeds.<<
In ancient times, and even recently in regions where subsistence
(i.e., relatively unmechanized) farming is common, the yield is not
represented as volume of grain but by the volume of grain returned
divided by the volume of grain sown. If you sow a bushel of wheat
(using modern US measure), you expect (maybe pray for) 5 bushels
reaped. The yield seems to have varied between 4x and 6x, according to
the Turkish study (circa 1950, and using relatively primitive farming
techniques resembling that of 1st century Palestine) mentioned in an
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