Re: [XTalk] Review of _The Historical Jesus: A Comprehensive Guide_ by Gerd Theissen and Annette Merz
- At 07:44 AM 6/29/01 -0400, Gordon Raynal wrote:
>Peter Kirby wrote:Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. However, there are lots
> > The following historical facts about Jesus emerge from _The Historical
> > Jesus_:
>I am away for a long weekend, but hope we'll continue on the
>intersection between history and Hebraic Scriptures. But before I dash
>off... just a little reply to these points:
> >... 3. Jesus performed exorcisms and healings (p. 301, p. 304).
>no... this is one form of "Scriptures fulfilled."
of critical scholars besides Thiessen & Merz who disagree with you:
* Crossan, in BOC p. 302, writes that he is in agreement with John P
Meier that Jesus was both healer and exorcist.
* And then there's the Jesus Seminar, in their Acts of Jesus. They rate
half a dozen Markan healings or exorcisms as "pink" (probably historical),
plus one special Matthew (9:35) as pink, and one special Luke (8.2) as red
(historical)! On p. 59 they (Funk?) write, "The evidence is overwhelming
that Jesus was regarded as a healer during his public career....This brief
vignette [Mark 1:30] comes as close as any to qualifying as a report of an
actual happening. The version Mark records lacks most of the features that
are characteristic of stereotyped healing stories...."
* And then of course Stevan Davies' Jesus the Healer.
I'll think I'll leave the list at that; plenty of other critical scholars
could be added to the list.
> > ...5. His family thought him to be mad (p. 570, p. 582).Stevan Davies in Jesus the Healer presents an interesting argument for
>no... this has to do with dramatic effect. It is one thing to say that
>***some*** in his family thought he was wrong-headed, or that a
>particular act/ set of words were bonkers, but this blanket statement is
>unjustified and suggests a literal reading of a parabolic scene.
taking this verse seriously. If Jesus were an ecstatic healer, it would
>...Thanks, Peter, for this note. This and the notes about TANAK texts andAgreed!
>Jesus and history deserve some serious conversation.
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