Re: [[XTalk] Re: Ebionites]
- "Sakari H�kkinen" <sakari.hakkinen@...> wrote:
>In another message Laupot wrote:
> -------- (EL) That's right. Furthermore, I never-- (SH) Briefly: By this term I meant those Jews,
> use the term "Christian Jews," because I was unable to
> define it. How would you define it?
who believed in Jesus.
----------- (E.L.) Well, okay, but we're no closer
to a definition. What does "believe in Jesus" mean?
Believe in him as God incarnate, eschatological
Messiah, prophet, guerrilla leader, or what?
[Eric Laupot wrote:]
> ------- (EL) Could you explain this? The Christiani--- (SH) No, this is not what I meant. It just came to my mind that
> were *very* closely connected with the Second Temple,
> and Gentiles weren't even allowed into the Temple. If
> the Christiani were non-Jewish, did they have
> a long distance relationship with the Temple?
we are discussing on Tacitus' view of "Christiani", not
------ (E.L.) Tacitus is not historical? Do you
have someone better?
-- (SH) How well did Tacitus know what were the
differences between Jewish sects?
Could it be that he shared
the common knowledge of the time that the Christians were
separated or at least had their origins in Judaism and that
the temple was the center of Jewish religion? It seems to me
that his words are quite understandable on this
----------- (E.L.) Tacitus' seemingly "Christian"
words may seem quite comfortable to us in this sense
today, but the reality is that Tacitus never mentions
the (Pauline) Christians in any of his extant works. Nor
did the Pauline Christians, as a sect, participate in
the first Jewish War. These are your modern ideas
projected onto Tacitus, and this explains why it's
important to read my article: the definition I
arrived at regarding the distinction between
"Christians" and "Christiani" does *not* involve any a
priori assumptions (as you seem to believe) but
rather involves conclusions drawn from my study of
Tacitus. Without reading the article, one cannot
understand how I arrived at these conclusions and
-- (SH) but I must admit I am not an expert on
Sakari Hakkinen, PhD
University of Helsinki
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