Re: [XTalk] James and the Ebionites
- Richard Anderson wrote:
> In response to Sakari H�kkinen:Missions said: "In
> Michael Goulder in St. Paul v. St. Peter, A Tale of Two
> time the Jerusalem church fell on evil days. They had toleave the city when
> the Jewish War came (66) and were not allowed to returnafter it was
> destroyed in 70. They were scattered to various centres inSyria and became
> knwon as the 'Ebionim, the Poor, a term oftern used in thePsalms for God's
> faithful, persecuted remnant. Epiphanius, Bishop ofSalamis in Cypus about
> 370, questioned some of them and asked them about theirname; they replied
> that they were descended from the Jerusalem church. andtheir forebears had
> become poor by sharing their money in the days of Acts.Epiphanius a harsh
> and untruthful man himself though that they were lying:they were called
> Ebinities after their wicked first treacher Ebion(Panarion, 30.15.4). But
> we may think they were telling the truth: there never wassuch a persion as
> Ebion. end quote.Richard,
I know well Goulder's book and his writings on the topic
elsewhere. Indeed, in my dissertation I criticize him just
for building a theory on weak evidence (I have a whole
chapter on Goulder). One of the problems of Goulder's book
is that he does not use footnotes. It would be fair to
express what are the sources. Goulder uses all the same
patristic material, which I claim to know quite well, and I
am quite sure he has nothing more. His book is quite close
to what I meant in an earlier message: "For this
reason, it is not possible to reconstruct the way of the
earliest "christian" community simply by referring to the
way of life of Ebionites (which has been done sometimes in
On the other hand, there are some such descriptions of
Ebionite belief in Goulder's book, which I have found very
useful and which are on more solid ground, e. g. his
description of the "possession Christology" by Ebionites.
BTW, Michael D. Goulder has my book, but I am not sure if he
can read Finnish better than the American scholars... Well,
he visited us some years ago, but his ability of Finnish did
not include too many words.
Sakari Hakkinen, PhD
University of Helsinki
Department of Biblical Studies
- First of all, apologies for sending a private message to the list.
I think it's the first time I've ever done that, so I'm really
annoyed with myself! I suppose I hadn't realised that Xtalk
was set up so that the automatic reply goes to the list instead
of the individual, but I still should have checked.
Second, a brief comment:
On 1 Dec 2000, at 15:32, Sakari Häkkinen wrote:
> I know well Goulder's book and his writings on the topic
> elsewhere. Indeed, in my dissertation I criticize him just
> for building a theory on weak evidence (I have a whole
> chapter on Goulder). One of the problems of Goulder's book
> is that he does not use footnotes. It would be fair to
> express what are the sources.
Well, Goulder is in good company here! His mentor Austin
Farrer was also criticized for not using footnotes in his work.
But in the case of _A Tale of Two Missions_ (_St Paul vs St
Peter_ in the U.S.), it seems to have been a self-conscious
decision to publish a popular-level book before writing the
more serious, academic defences. Many of the theories in
_Tale of Two Missions_ have, as you know, now appeared in
various articles in journals and Festschrifts and Goulder has a
monograph on 1 and 2 Corinthians, focusing on the Paul v.
Peter thesis, published soon by Hendrickson's -- he is
currently working through the proofs.
Dr Mark Goodacre mailto:M.S.Goodacre@...
Dept of Theology tel: +44 121 414 7512
University of Birmingham fax: +44 121 414 6866
Birmingham B15 2TT United Kingdom
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