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RE: [XTalk] The Jesus movement before the NT

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  • Dennis Goffin
    Mark s may be the earliest Gospel, but if the writer s sympathies lie with the Paulines, it is not difficult to imagine his trying to demean Paul s principal
    Message 1 of 73 , Dec 9, 2011
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      Mark's may be the earliest Gospel, but if the writer's sympathies lie with the Paulines, it is not difficult to imagine his trying to demean Paul's principal opponent, James the brother of Jesus, not to mention the rest of the family whose importance in this movement continued after James' death, with Simon.

      Dennis
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      Dennis Goffin

      Chorleywood UK

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      Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 12:44:04 -0500
      Subject: RE: [XTalk] The Jesus movement before the NT




























      To: XTalk

      In Response To: Liz Fried

      On: Jesus's Family

      From: Bruce



      LIZ: What is the evidence that Jesus' first followers, by that I assume his

      family, labeled him "Messiah?"



      BRUCE: To start with, the parenthetical assumption might need to be

      reconsidered. Mark, being the earliest of the Gospels, is presumptively the

      best source for relations between Jesus and his family. Mk 3:31-35 shows

      Jesus contrasting his lineal family with his, well, his family consisting of

      "whoever does the will of God." It would seem to follow that his lineal

      family and those pursuing the same Way as himself are two different groups,

      with no overlap between.



      It is always fun to see what the Second Tier Gospels do with such passages

      (including changes of arrangement), but the point of most probable

      historical relevance is the Markan version, including its sequence with

      other material (on which point, notice especially what happens to Mk

      3:20-21).



      E Bruce Brooks

      University of Massachusetts at Amherst


















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    • David Mealand
      This topic ran for a while back in January. I have just seen a review of a book on Philo which gives particular attention to Philo s use of some passages from
      Message 73 of 73 , Feb 16, 2012
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        This topic ran for a while back in January.

        I have just seen a review of a book on Philo
        which gives particular attention to Philo's
        use of some passages from the haftarot which, it is
        argued, match part of a later cycle of such readings.
        Naomi Cohen, Philo's Scriptures ... (Brill 2007) is
        the book, and a very interesting and detailed review
        of it by Tzvee Zahavy is in Review of Rabbinic
        Judaism 15 (2012) 133-136.

        David M.







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