[XTalk] Re: Re; refuting bad apologetics
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "John Sabatino" <taurus78@...> wrote:
> the question revolves so much around what constitutes proper history
> though there may be a "history" to the debate about historicalmethodology,
> this is essentially a philosophical question, not a historical questionhistory by
> (i.e. you can't really answer the question of "how" to do proper
> appealing to history done properly in the past, without begging theListers might be interested in listening to a panel discussion that i
> question) .
found on the "history" of historiographical methodology from Milt
Rosenberg's show on WGNR (Chicago) from 9 January 2007.
(click on the link "History of History")
Although not specifically on the topic of the historical Jesus, it
tangentially touches on some of the topics in this thread.
r. leon santiago
- --- James McGrath wrote:
> As for other things that we can say about the burial,Thanks, James. I learned much from reading that. Two
> I will direct those interested to the section "Jesus'
> Dishonorable Burial" on my web site at
items in particular: one a link to an article by Byron
McCane that was published in Chilton and Evans,
_Authenticating the Activities of Jesus_, online at
For those who aren't comfortable with Crossan's degree
of skepticism, such as expressed in his "Maybe, but
only the barest maybe" quoted in my earlier note,
McCane's article is a well-balanced (or so ISTM)
argument for giving a larger degree of probability
to the possibility that someone among the Judean
leadership (probably not a Jesus-sympathisizer,
though) made request for the body (albeit probably
for a shameful burial).
The other item is connected with this. It's from
a speech attributed to Paul in Acts 13:27-29, which
implies that "those who live in Jerusalem and their
rulers" were those who "took him down from the cross
and laid him in a tomb". You'd think that Crossan
could have used that to support his contention that
that was the earliest Christian belief (based on his
stratification of the Gospel of Peter), but he seems
not to have done so. (He quotes Acts 13:27-33 in
the "Trial" chapter of WKJ, but I see no reference
to it in his "Burial" chapter.)