Re: [XTalk] The Historical Jesus and Q Skepticism
- Hi Stephen,
Just a few comments:
> Perhaps we can talk about marginal effects. I mightI agree that this is pretty much what we see. How then one assesses
> expect a Q-skeptic approach to the HJ to:
> (a) de-emphasize the sayings of Jesus and look more at
> his doings;
those "deeds" as to their historicity is a really big deal.
>I agree again.
> (b) view Matthew's form of the double tradition somewhat
> more highly, with the result of:
>Again... based in assessing such speech as having come from HJ rather
> (1) giving more weight to apocalypticism in Jesus's
> teachings/actions, and
than from the creators.
>My problem here, of course, is that the Hebraic tradition of wisdom...
> (2) prefer a more self-consciously Jewish take on Jesus.
and there's plenty of it... is just as "Jewish" as the Royal
traditions, the Priestly/ Temple Cult traditions, the Classical
Prophetic traditions and the apocalyptic prophetic traditions. The
presentation of Jesus as a wisdom figure is not less "self-consciously
Besides this this whole conversation on Q Skepticism leaves to the side
a consideration of redactions in G. Thomas, Paul's access to Wisdom
theology in his writing, Epistle James and the reality of that the
foundational constitutional language of "the Two Ways" we find in the
opening of the Didache is wisdom speech. Those who want to write off
considering Jesus as a figure that we can primarily understand through
his aphorisms and parables because they dismiss Q aren't so easily off
the hook. But even if Jesus is best judged to be understood as an
apocalyptic prophetic figure or a messianic figure or some combination
of the two, then Mark, Matthew, Luke, Ep. James, Thomas, the Didache
present one with a lot of wisdom communication to consider. My notion
is that whatever one thinks about what best goes to characterize this
Hebrew/ Jewish fellow named Jesus, then one also ought to pay some keen
attention to those very Jewish wisdom resources.
Just another thought:)!
I assume you mean the url for the journal which I posted this am
Xtalk member, Lisbeth S. Fried's, new book is now available, The Priest and
the Great King: Temple-Palace Relations in the Persian Empire, together with
this review in Denver Journal.
Richard H. Anderson