Re: [XTalk] The Empty Tomb: Jesus Beyond the Grave
- Loren Rosson wrote:
>List --snipped for brevity
>I recently finished reading The Empty Tomb: Jesus
>Beyond the Grave, a collection of essays from the
>skeptic's corner: much to agree with, much to dispute,
>as each contributor deals with the resurrection
>inquiry in some way. XTalker Peter Kirby has an essay
>refuting the authenticity of the empty tomb; Richard
>Carrier has a lengthy essay, also arguing that the
>empty tomb was a legend coming later than Paul's
>two-body doctrine of the resurrection, and then a
>shorter article arguing that if the empty tomb were
>authentic it is plausible to assume Jesus' body was
>stolen. Keith Parsons writes about the plausibility of
>hallucination theories; Jeffrey Jay Lowder argues for
>the relocation of Jesus' corpse to a second tomb. Then
>there is an extremely polemical (and somewhat
>off-putting) piece by editor Robert Price -- called
>"By This Time He Stinketh: The Attempts of William
>Lane Craig to Exhume Jesus" -- bemoaning the influence
>of neo-conservative scholarship, insisting that
>William Lane Craig is a menace both to scholarship and
I recently re-read Price's article "Christ a Fiction" at "Infidels.org"
It is, I must say, a pretty sorry excuse for argumentation. And I am
predisposed toward his conclusions, at least most of them. When a
person purporting to support objective scholarship indulges in such
polemics, he does more harm than good to all sides of the debate. I
could go on, but I think the essay (which begins with a comparison of
the Christ of evangelical Christians to the comic book character
Superboy) speaks for itself. Or not.
- --- Loren Rosson wrote:
> Objection (13) isn't taken seriously enough by Parsons. VisionsYes, but this statement is quite different from the one to which
> without the empty tomb do not account for a resurrection belief...
Parsons was responding, as you quote:
> (13) K&T: "A hallucination would explain only the appearances;YOUR statement is an argument for the empty tomb. The K&T statement is
> it would not explain the empty tomb; only the resurrection
> explains all of these."
an argument for the resurrection. The reason you give for saying that
Parsons didn't take (13) seriously enough is thus in the nature of a
Mt. Clemens, MI
> > Objection (13) isn't taken seriously enough by[Mike]
> Parsons. Visions
> > without the empty tomb do not account for a
> resurrection belief...
> Yes, but this statement is quite different from theYes, you're right; I mistook the direction of K&T's
> one to which
> Parsons was responding, as you quote:
> > (13) K&T: "A hallucination would explain only the
> > it would not explain the empty tomb; only the
> > explains all of these."
> YOUR statement is an argument for the empty tomb.
> The K&T statement is
> an argument for the resurrection. The reason you
> give for saying that
> Parsons didn't take (13) seriously enough is thus in
> the nature of a non sequitur.
Loren Rosson III
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