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ATLA vs. Google Scholar (was Re: [XTalk] Anyone Know of Reviews for "Contextualizing Acts"?)

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  • Mark Goodacre
    ... Google scholar brings up nothing at all for todd penner, contextualizing acts , so it looks like ATLA wins here. I wonder how long it will be, if ever,
    Message 1 of 6 , Apr 14, 2005
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      On 4/14/05, Ken Olson <kenolson101@...> wrote:
      >
      > Chris,
      >
      > The ATLA database currently lists no reviews, but here's what it does give:

      Google scholar brings up nothing at all for "todd penner,
      contextualizing acts", so it looks like ATLA wins here. I wonder how
      long it will be, if ever, that Google Scholar will be able to rival
      ATLA? Is ATLA still the best place to go to hunt out reviews? What
      do others use?

      Mark
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      University of Birmingham
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    • Jim West
      ... Well the only place I look for reviews is the Review of Biblical Literature site. Or on the rare occassion, one of the Journals. But only once a month or
      Message 2 of 6 , Apr 14, 2005
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        Mark Goodacre wrote:

        >Google scholar brings up nothing at all for "todd penner,
        >contextualizing acts", so it looks like ATLA wins here. I wonder how
        >long it will be, if ever, that Google Scholar will be able to rival
        >ATLA? Is ATLA still the best place to go to hunt out reviews? What
        >do others use?
        >
        >Mark
        >
        >

        Well the only place I look for reviews is the Review of Biblical
        Literature site. Or on the rare occassion, one of the Journals. But
        only once a month or so.

        Jim

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        Jim West

        Biblical Studies Resources - http://web.infoave.net/~jwest
        Biblical Theology Weblog - http://biblical-studies.blogspot.com
      • Bob Schacht
        ... 1. Google Scholar is free 2. Google Scholar is not limited to Religion I used Google Scholar the other day to look up references on the work of a colleague
        Message 3 of 6 , Apr 14, 2005
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          At 12:49 PM 4/14/2005, Mark Goodacre wrote:
          >On 4/14/05, Ken Olson <kenolson101@...> wrote:
          > >
          > > Chris,
          > >
          > > The ATLA database currently lists no reviews, but here's what it does give:
          >
          >Google scholar brings up nothing at all for "todd penner,
          >contextualizing acts", so it looks like ATLA wins here. I wonder how
          >long it will be, if ever, that Google Scholar will be able to rival
          >ATLA? Is ATLA still the best place to go to hunt out reviews? What
          >do others use?

          1. Google Scholar is free
          2. Google Scholar is not limited to Religion

          I used Google Scholar the other day to look up references on the work of a
          colleague in whom I had an interest but no information. It not only found
          many references that I was interested in, but didn't know about, but it
          also found some of them available online, and guided me to those websites.
          Groovy!

          Google Scholar will also tell you who's citing who. I found out that an
          article I co-authored more than 10 years ago has been cited by 5 people
          I've never heard of before. Thus, Google scholar can be used to do research
          on quoting circles (For example, who is this Mark Goodacre, what has he
          published, and who quotes his publications? Do they quote each other, too?)
          Embarrassment is a likely result, however, if you find out that
          (a) no one has ever cited your article, or
          (b) the only one who has ever cited your article is yourself!
          It is only slightly less embarrassing to find out that the only person to
          have cited one of your publications was one of your co-workers. I don't
          know how thorough this part of the search engine is. However, it is
          thorough enough that it located a number of my "publications" that were
          only published by my own agency, and thus known only to specialists. It
          also managed to find my deceased father's Ph.D. dissertation.

          Bob
          I am also startled by the number of people with my last name who have been
          busily expounding on everything from anthrax and bosons to leptons.

          Bob


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        • Patrick Narkinsky
          The problem I ve observed with Google scholar is that it only searches for articles that are on the Public Internet in some form (even if it s just an
          Message 4 of 6 , Apr 15, 2005
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            The problem I've observed with Google scholar is that it only searches for
            articles that are on the Public Internet in some form (even if it's just an
            abstract.) This makes it more or less useless in New Testament, since the
            field is distinctly behind the curve when it comes to quality online
            versions of journals.

            Or, at least, that's been my experience. I suspect that it will remain
            useless unless and until some of the humanities follow the lead of the
            sciences and start moving to online, freely available journals. (That is, a
            Long TimeĀ)

            Patrick Narkinsky
            Pastor
            Mt. Hermon Baptist Church
            Mineral, VA


            > From: Mark Goodacre <Goodacre@...>
            > Reply-To: <crosstalk2@yahoogroups.com>
            > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:49:11 +0100
            > To: <crosstalk2@yahoogroups.com>
            > Subject: ATLA vs. Google Scholar (was Re: [XTalk] Anyone Know of Reviews for
            > "Contextualizing Acts"?)
            >
            > Google scholar brings up nothing at all for "todd penner,
            > contextualizing acts", so it looks like ATLA wins here. I wonder how
            > long it will be, if ever, that Google Scholar will be able to rival
            > ATLA? Is ATLA still the best place to go to hunt out reviews? What
            > do others use?
          • Mark Goodacre
            ... I don t think it s as bad as you depict, Patrick, since the major journals do have on-line presences, even though most charge for the actual content, NTS,
            Message 5 of 6 , Apr 15, 2005
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              On 4/15/05, Patrick Narkinsky <patrick@...> wrote:

              > The problem I've observed with Google scholar is that it only searches for
              > articles that are on the Public Internet in some form (even if it's just an
              > abstract.) This makes it more or less useless in New Testament, since the
              > field is distinctly behind the curve when it comes to quality online
              > versions of journals.

              I don't think it's as bad as you depict, Patrick, since the major
              journals do have on-line presences, even though most charge for the
              actual content, NTS, NovT, JSNT, Biblical Interpretation, etc. And
              Google Scholar does seem to be picking this content up. What it
              doesn't yet seem to be able to pick up properly are the citations of
              books and articles within there, even though that is what it is
              designed to pick up. For example, following Bob's advice that I look
              for myself on Google Scholar, I found a bunch of interesting citations
              for The Case Against Q in freely available on-line materials, e.g. a
              pretty good graduate student essay, but it did not pick up in the
              "citations" link the several that it did in fact subsequently list as
              separate article references.

              At this stage I have found it especially useful in the following ways:
              (1) it turns up stuff you might never have found otherwise, e.g. stuff
              that's not listed on ATLA; (2) when I'm logged in to my university's
              proxy server, I can click on an article title linked in Google Scholar
              and read it immediately, a real boon; (3) the "Web search" facility
              next to a given link enables you to take a quick look to see if the
              article in question might be available on-line, or discussed somewhere
              else, e.g. on a scholar's homepage. In due course, though, I would
              hope to see them getting sophisticated enough to integrate this
              content directly too.

              Mark
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              Dr Mark Goodacre mailto:M.S.Goodacre@...
              Dept of Theology and Religion
              University of Birmingham
              Elmfield House, Selly Oak tel.+44 121 414 7512
              Birmingham B29 6LQ UK fax: +44 121 415 8376

              http://www.theology.bham.ac.uk/goodacre
              http://NTGateway.com
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