Re: [XTalk] John the Baptizer and the LP
Loren Rosson wrote:
> Jeffrey wrote:Thanks for this.
> > On the recent History Channel program on J the B, a
> > few of the talking
> > heads, including Murphy-O'Connor asserted that
> > "some" believe/have
> > argued that the Lord's Prayer originated with John.
> > Can any one identify who these "some" are? Who has
> > made this claim?
> Joan Taylor gives the idea credence. See The Immerser:
> John the Baptist Within Second-Temple Judaism, pp
> 151-153. Against the common idea that Jesus was asked
> to teach his disciples a short prayer in the same way
> John taught his disciples a (different) short prayer,
> Taylor argues that the wording of Lk 11:1 is ambiguous
> enough to indicate that it was the same prayer taught
> by John. She further suggests that the LP fits John's
> teaching as a whole, with close connections between
> eschatology and practical considerations; forgiveness
> of sins; etc. "It seems likely that much more of
> John's message has remained than has hitherto been
> recognized and that it is embedded in the heart of the
> Christian ethos." (153)
Does Taylor note if she is alone in this view? That is to say, does she adduce
anyone else who has suggested/argued for this view?
Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon.)
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Chicago, IL 60626
> Does Taylor note if she is alone in [believingShe doesn't cite anyone else in the text or footnotes,
> that the LP originated with the Baptist]? That
> is to say, does she adduce
> anyone else who has suggested/argued for
> this view?
so I assume she is one of very few who believe this.
I've not come across the argument anywhere else.
Loren Rosson III
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