Re: [XTalk] Jesus Temple Act
- Hi Loren,
On Apr 2, 2005, at 7:47 AM, Loren Rosson wrote:
> Obviously. The point is that it would have been easy
> for Jesus to get away after raising hell with the
> money-changers, and evade capture for a time.
What do you think about "the pandemonium" issue? I don't know how many
of these coins (with the other trade ins) would be on a given table,
but if these very valuable coins just started rolling all over the
place don't you think there would be a large scramble? Such would make
a getaway more plausible. Any thoughts?
> I don't think it's necessary to endorse the Johannine
> placement of the temple incident for Fredriksen's
> point to hold.
Thanks for the clarification.
> You, however, deny all of the above three (messianinc
> enthusaism, temple incident, tax evasion) as causes
> for arrest. (Do I understand you correctly?)
Yes (more below).
> So how do
> **you** account for the "King of the Judeans'"
> crucifixion? Or do you?
I honestly don't know. I think "the reason(s)" he got killed was
because he was the recognized "voice" of "a kingdom movement" that was
taking root in Galilee, H. Philip's domain, Samaria and Judea
(including Jerusalem). But as to the precise scenario of his
identification at Passover time, his arrest and crucifixion I don't
think we have records of that, rather we have a theological (and very
effective one) drama that is part of a parable created by Mark. Just
showing up and being identified as "this guy," as far as I'm concerned,
is quite enough to get hauled off for official state execution by
tortuous means of crucifixion to send the clear message that the state
would in no way tolerate any other kingdom allegiances than those
authorized by the state. I think that this grand drama that Mark
creates works, as I've said, to raise up the breadth of challenges that
were and are in Jesus' language about "God's Kingdom." Again... the
whole messianic heritage as it was popularly interpreted (so often to
such grievous and violent ends... and I think about the time when
Archelaus killed 3000 of his own subjects at Passover time because of
fears of sedition); what was being offered by the Pharisees, by the
Saducees, by the Scribes; the current rulers of the Temple
establishment; the current jurisprudence practice of the Temple
leadership; the Roman system of rule, "Pax" and "law;" the mob
mentality and even the self-assurance of Jesus' own followers is
powerfully raised up as being **entirely** wanting. The Markan parable
works to dramatize the choice being offered and the harsh realities for
those in the community to live with the choice they have made. In my
view, Mark written after the R-J war works to show precisely just how
right Jesus was some 50 years earlier. Popular messianism was squashed
again and again. The Roman appointed Temple establishment did nothing
to create unity. The "law" was anything but. The Roman "Pax" was
murderous. The mob mentality fueled by statist notions of Covenant had
led to Vespasian and Titus coming and so the utter destruction that
ensued. And counting on "self-assurance" was a sure path to denial or
flight into the proverbial night. The drama, in other words, clearly
works to show that Jesus was correct then and still correct in Mark's
time. I'd like to no more historical details, but I just don't think
the data we have contains them. I think what we do have is **far,
far** more important.
>And then it was that the sicarii, as they were called, who were robbers,grew numerous. They made use of small swords, not much different in length
from the Persian acinacae, but somewhat crooked, and like the Roman sicae,
[or sickles,] as they were called; and from these weapons these robbers got
their denomination; and with these weapons they slew a great many; for they
mingled themselves among the multitude at their festivals, when they were
come up in crowds from all parts to the city to worship God, as we said
before, and easily slew those that they had a mind to slay.<
Is this fiction; or historical evidence that you could actually get away
with murder - repeatedly - in the middle of a festival crowd? The surprise
element still works, even when something similar has happened previously
(One up for GJohn).
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