Re: [XTalk] What use is HJ research?
- --- In email@example.com, Bob Schacht <r_schacht@y...> wrote:
>>he [H Jesus] appears to be mistaken about some aspects of timing orother details<<
In prep for the Ludeman seminar and as a part of my random walk
through the maze of Xtalk, I am reading Dunn, Christology in the
Making. I am intrigued by these basic questions from Bob and Liz and
Loren's well-read responses (though he and I differ on conclusions)-
There is a question being begged from this dialogue and the first
half of Dunn's book. Just what is the concept of 'time' in that first
century? This has to do with our apparent confusion of eschaton with
apocalyptic - what is 'last' and what is 'to come'? How did
apocalyptic come to mean future when its primary meaning
It is reasonably clear how our Turing-like perception of life easily
comes to a sequential explanation of our immediate perception of
time; but today with our realization of the limitations of knowledge
and the dilation of time in a relativistic framework, how is it we
allow ourselves come to such simple conclusions about completeness of
the eschaton in the death and resurrection of Christ?
The understanding of time in the first century is also related to
the 'denial of an implied pre-existence of Christ' in Dunn's
reasoning as I have read so far. It would seem to me that the first
century and earlier pre-BCE Jewish understanding was reaching for a
more complete expression of their life experience. So I think this
has also to bear on our understanding of resurrection. In many NT
expressions, the gift of the Paraclete is an 'earnest of our
inheritance' - like receiving the principal amount. Life is more
extensive than the sequential explanation will allow.
(BTW does anyone have a read on the image on the cover of Dunn's
book - a 10th C Pantocrator Icon - I want to know the content of the
Cyrillic - maybe the first word is IEILLE?A. Looks like HEHLLHUA -
the U has an extension below the line)
researching in Cambridge - 01223 359 060 (if any listers would like
- Rick wrote: "I wonder what a Galilean Darlek would look like"
I haven't a clue, but I know what one would *say*:
Incidentally, I apologise to our wonderful moderator for my earlier use of
President Bush's favourite weapon: the pre-emotive strike!!
JOHN E STATON
Penistone, Sheffield UK