Re: Physical bodies in heaven
Concerning John 20: 24-29, Thomas doesn't touch, either. It would appear
both gospel writers depict Jesus as offering the possibility of touch, but
suggesting the disciples did not do so. The only exception I can think of is
John 20: 17. "Do not touch me" suggests Mary Magdalene was in fact touching
Jesus at the time.
In general, however, I think your argument with John Sabatino holds. Luke
obviously believes the stories about eating fish and Jesus' offering the
possibility of touch would encourage belief in the resurrection, and
therefore that some sort of physical proofs are considered desirable if not
essential. Where I do part company with you, however, is that I believe that
Luke records the resurrection appearances as he believed they happened. I
believe these stories must go back to the earliest memories of the RJ.
JOHN E STATON
Penistone, Sheffield UK
- On Dec 31, 2004, at 10:44 PM, Horace Jeffery Hodges wrote:
> The difference that most Christians would ascribe toI would take a different tack: that Jesus was the "first fruits" of the
> Jesus is that he is divine, being one person of the
> triune Godhead, whereas everyone else who will be
> resurrected (whether physically or spiritually) is
> human, all too human.
general resurrection and that, by raising him from the dead, God has
promised to do likewise for those who are "in" Christ. I take this to
be Paul's take as well (see 1Cor 15.12-20).
However, I doubt that that this is the average pew-sitter's view, at
least in Evangelical circles. In my experience, their emphasis would
be on Jesus' crucifixion resurrection as an act of atonement, and what
was unique about Jesus was his innocence. That is, Jesus was a perfect
sacrifice, without sin, who could therefore atone for the sins of all
mankind. Those who take this point of view tend not to think of
"heaven" in terms of resurrection, and even Jesus' resurrection would
be emphasized much less than Jesus' crucifixion. Even the Left-Behind
crowd talks about the general resurrection of the dead as being "raised
up" or something, reserving the term "resurrection" for Jesus himself.
Patrick Narkinsky - patrick@...
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