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RE: [XTalk] Re: More like Christ?

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  • James Hammond
    Thanks, Don. I have used Pagels in many sermons...she s not liked by the status quo in some forums, but I think her work is good. By the way, although not
    Message 1 of 5 , Sep 16, 2004
      Thanks, Don. I have used Pagels in many sermons...she's not liked by the
      'status quo' in some forums, but I think her work is good.

      By the way, although not Sabbatarian, we're due to meet Saturday afternoon
      at 2pm!!!

      Cheers
      James

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Don Smith [mailto:donsmith@...]
      Sent: 16 September 2004 06:33
      To: crosstalk2@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [XTalk] Re: More like Christ?

      Howdy James,

      Why aim so low, James? Why settle for being more like Christ when we can
      become Christ(s)?

      If you want to really shake up your congregation this Sunday you can do a
      reading from the Gospel of Phillip:

      "It is not possible for anyone to see anything of the things that actually
      exist unless he becomes like them…You saw the Spirit, you became spirit. You
      saw Christ, you became Christ."

      "Truth did not come into the world naked, but it came in types and images…It
      is certainly necessary to be born again through the image. Which one?
      Resurrection. The image must rise again through the image…For this person is
      no longer a Christian but a Christ."

      See Elaine Pagels "The Gnostic Gospels", p. 134.

      Non-canonical - yep. Contains some wisdom - maybe yes as well.

      We are not called to be Christians but Christs. I like that. Anyone want to
      re-open the canon and throw that in to help James? We've got until Sunday.

      Don Smith - Calgary, Alberta, Canada
      Blind Guide

      --- In crosstalk2@yahoogroups.com, "James Hammond" <jhammond@n...>
      wrote:
      > Forgive me for intruding on the excellent dialogue on Festinger and
      Wright,
      > but I need some help.
      > I have to prepare a sermon for the weekend on 'being more like
      Christ.'
      >
      > My position on this is that it is a fallacy that is preached so
      often in
      > Church, and seems to me quite illogical. We know that we cannot
      be 'more
      > like Christ' in terms of omnipotence, omnisicence, etc., so what's
      left? To
      > be more loving, kind, generous, empathetic, etc? But just because
      we have
      > 'good days' where we've been a little better than the day before
      doesn't,
      > IMHO, make us any more like Christ than before!
      >
      > I'm not aware of any scripture that emphatically states that we
      should
      > become 'more Christ-like'. Okay, Paul tells us to grow in the grace
      and
      > knowledge of Jesus...' but does this mean the same thing? And what
      about the
      > context in which this is stated? Are there elements of anachronism
      and
      > ethnocentrism on exactly what 'Christ-like' might even mean in
      various
      > social settings as we in the western world percieve 'Christ-
      likedness'?
      >
      > Does anyone have any recommendations of good theological articles
      from
      > contemporary (or otherwise) theologians who have addressed this
      issue? I've
      > scoured most sites like the Context Group, NT Gateway, etc., to see
      if
      > anyone has written about this, but nothing seems around, even from
      Bishop
      > Spong! Only the usual endless websites churning out cliches and
      guilt-trip
      > urgings to be good, do good, etc.
      >
      > Crosstalk is brilliant and clearly has fantastic theological minds
      as
      > contributors. It is balanced, rational, contemporary and a great
      place to
      > learn for a 'novice' theologian like me (I'm currently doing a BA in
      > biblical interpretation).
      >
      > Any offers of help on this subject -- or even pointers -- gratefully
      > accepted!
      >
      > James Hammond
      > Pastor, Worldwide Church of God, Ramsey, United Kingdom
      >
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