Re: [XTalk] Sons of Thunder
- --- Horace Jeffery Hodges <jefferyhodges@...>
> This is only tangentially related, but since evenZeus seems tangentially related...
>Culture: Landmark Battles in the Rise of Western
> According to Victor Davis Hanson, *Carnage and
Power* (New York: Anchor, 2002), p. 110, the name of
Carthage's brilliant military leader who annihilated
the Roman forces at Cannae on August 2, 216 BCE,
"Hannibal Barca," means "Grace of Ba'al Lightning."
>that it is related either, but if one wants to take
>I mention this for what it's worth, though I doubt
lightning as meaning thunder, then "Sons of Thunder"
could just as readily be an allusion to Hannibal, who
defeated Rome, as to Zeus, who would more likely be a
symbol for Rome and Roman power.
>Dear Jeffery Hodges:
> But I consider both unlikely.
Oh, Caananite/Punic ideas about Baal and his lightning
might help us to understand the meaning of "Sons of
Thunder", but this doesn't necessitate that "Sons of
Thunder" has anything to do with Hannibal.
Let us look at Ugaritic tablet V AB (IV) as rendered
by Theodor H. Gaster in Thespis (p. 239), where Baal
Yea, I, install'd as godhead of the North,
will fashion now upon that hill of mine,
a lightning such as heaven doth not know,
a voice the like of which men do not know,
greater than all mankind yet understand.
Note that the thunder from the lightning of Baal is
Compare LXX Psalm 28(29):3a, "The voice (phwne) of the
Lord is upon the waters: the God of glory has
Also compare John 12:28b-29a, "Then a voice (phwne)
came from heaven, 'I have glorified it, and I will
glorify it again.' The crowd, the one having stood
and having heard, were saying, ''Thunder (Bronten) has
Is it not possible that, in Mark 3:17, "Sons of
Thunder (Brontes)" ought to be interpreted in light of
this Caananite-Jewish-early Christian idea of equating
thunder with the voice of a deity? That is to say,
might it not be possible that it can be paraphrased as
"Sons of the Voice (of God)".
Compare this statement by Robert H. Gundry in Mark
(pp. 51-52), "Since Mark writes about a 'voice,' not
about 'a daughter of the voice' (bath-qol, i.e., an
echo of God's voice),...".
Perhaps, then, "sons of thunder" = sons of God's
Voice = echoes of God's voice.
If so, then perhaps its meaning is that the two sons
of Zebedee are prophets of God. Compare Heres (259),
where Philo states, "For a prophet (being a spokesman)
has no utterance of his own, but all his utterance
came from elsewhere, the echoes of another's voice."
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