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Re: [XTalk] Re: Passion Narrative musings

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  • Karel Hanhart
    ... From: Geoff Hudson To: Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 9:35 AM Subject: [XTalk] Re: Passion
    Message 1 of 1 , Jun 7, 2003
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Geoff Hudson <geoff.hudson@...>
      To: <crosstalk2@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 9:35 AM
      Subject: [XTalk] Re: Passion Narrative musings

      > --- In crosstalk2@yahoogroups.com, Bob Schacht <bobschacht@i...>
      > wrote:
      > > In the Passion Narratives, there are some odd patterns of agreement
      > that go
      > > against the usual synoptic arrangement.
      > >
      > > 1. Matthew 27:57 and John 19:38 agree that Joseph of Arimathea was
      > a
      > > disciple of Jesus; but Luke follows Mark in describing J of A
      > instead as
      > > "looking for the kingdom of God."


      The abnormal verbal form 'ematheteuthe' (aor. passiv.) in Mt 27,57 does not
      mean "was a disciple of [Jesus]" but "was instructed about or informed about
      The form is abnormal since being a 'disciple of Jesus' (mathetes) is a key
      term in Matthew.
      As I see it, Matthew agrees with Mark in depicting Arimathea in a negative
      light (plousios! 19,23f).
      He appears to correct Mark, if Arimathea indeed wasnot a member of the
      Council at the time
      Jesus was condemned by Caiaphas.

      Mark's "also looking for the Rule of God" (15,43) doesn't necessarily mean
      being a follower of Jesus.
      Judeans praying for victory at the time of the Roman-Judean war, were also
      looking for the Rule of God.

      yours cordially,


      > >
      > > 2. Matthew and John also agree against Mark and Luke in what J of A
      > did
      > > with the body of Jesus: in Matthew and John, he merely "takes"
      > (lambano) it
      > > (the body). But in Mark and Luke he took him *down* (kathaireo),
      > i.e. from
      > > the cross.
      > >
      > > What's going on here?
      > >
      > > Bob
      > >
      > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      > There is a parallel in Mt.14:12, simply - "John's DISCIPLES came and
      > TOOK his body and buried it.
      > Geoff
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