Re: [XTalk] Re: Tomb Essay - Comments?
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From: Peter Kirby <kirby@...>
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [XTalk] Re: Tomb Essay - Comments?
> On Monday 20 January 2003 02:24 am, Karel Hanhart wrote:
> Dear Karel Hanhart,
> My e-mail address is kirby@..., but I am more than happy to
> a discussion on this list.
Thank you for a prompt reply and your E-mail address. I wasn't aware that
Amazon doesn't have copies in store any more. You may try the (Benedictine)
Liturgical Press, Collegeville MN 56321. FAX 1-800-445-5899. I'm sorry
to say it's some 600 pages. Thank you also for the brief summary below. I
fully agree with your conclusion that we donot know what happened to
Jesus' dead body. Montefiore, whom I cited (perhaps you did as well), agreed
with your assesment : "either the body of Jesus was left to rot on the
or the body of Jesus was consigned to a criminal's shallow grave".
My main argumentation I have given asa follows.
> I have not heard of your book until today. I have just done an Amazon
> and found this: The Open Tomb: A New Approach, Mark's Passover Haggadah
> 72 C.E), published 1995. It appears to be out of print.
> You say that "Kirby . . . maintains the view that the women did find
> tomb empty." Was the word "not" dropped by accident in this sentence?
Probably - the message fell off my screen and I couldn't establish HTML
afterwards. The point I made referred to Mark's citation of LXX Isa 22:16
his having written a post-70 midrash with reference to the
destroyed temple as the new ending of a pre-70 Passover Gospel.
> the introduction, I outline the hypothesis which I defend as plausible:
> reconstruction will be outlined here. Either the body of Jesus was left to
> rot on the cross, or the body of Jesus was consigned to a criminal's
> grave. Either way, the followers of Jesus did not have access to the body
> after the crucifixion. The followers of Jesus returned to Galilee after
> Passover. While in Galilee, Peter and other disciples experienced visions
> Jesus and came to believe that Jesus had been raised to the right hand of
> Father. Believing that Jesus would soon be coming to establish the Kingdom
> God, the disciples returned to Jerusalem in order to await his coming and
> spread the gospel. While they may have believed that Jesus had risen
> physically and may have answered that the grave of Jesus must have been
> emptied if asked, the basis of the resurrection belief was the visions,
> there were no traditions of the discovery of an empty tomb in the
> church. The story of the empty tomb was the invention of the author of
> or perhaps the immediate pre-Markan tradition, and the subsequent
> expanded on the empty tomb story as told by Mark." This theory is then
> developed in eight sections, compared with Craig's alternative argument,
> finally evalutated.
> I am also a bit confused as to what a "biographical approach" entails.
> Thank you, though, for reading my essay.
> Peter Kirby (Student at Fullerton College, CA)
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