Jesus and the violence of the era
- To all,
Just got my AAR/SBL catalog and have hardly had time to look at it... but I
note that at the event AAR is having a session with Gandhi's grandson, Hans
Kung is going to talk about international political paradigms... more
related to our interests... the first session of the Jesus group is devoted
to Jesus and violence and Dick Horsely among others has papers... and for a
real dose of fun... check out the AAR movie section. A must see is surely
"Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter" (see page 23)!
back to the bit about Jesus' death... and the ways of that era... yes,
Josephus notes "trials," but also notes such as Archelaus' troops killing
3000 "rioters" at Passover time in Jesus' youth... not long afterwards
Varus' troops crucifying 2000... and onward to "kindly" Pilate... his plan
to have his troops infiltrate and kill protesters after the "busts"
incident. The "trials" in the kerygma are clearly theologically designed
and written. Perhaps there could have been one. But we have NO other
evidence for this outside the kerygmatic writings. So perhaps. But I
seriously doubt it.
- --- In crosstalk2@y..., "Gordon Raynal" <scudi1@c...> wrote:
>Josephus notes "trials," but also notes such as Archelaus' troopsI still do not see the relevance of appealing to examples from
>killing 3000 "rioters" at Passover time in Jesus' youth... not long
>afterwards Varus' troops crucifying 2000...
wartime and open rebellion against the power of Rome. No one is
arguing that the Romans were "warm and fuzzy" in their treatment of
their subjects, but they did also demonstrate on many occasions that
they could act in a manner that was sensitive to the local
authorities. So again I ask, why doubt that Jewish authorities
played a role in Jesus' death? It is not an extraordinary, or
otherwise implausible report, and it lines up with all of the
positive evidence we have as to how the Romans behaved in such
matters during such periods of relative peace and tranquility.
>and onward to "kindly" Pilate... his plan to have his troopsI am unsure why this is relevant to the discussion. Pilate also was
>infiltrate and kill protesters after the "busts" incident.
forced to back down by the locals over the matter of hanging symbols
of Roman power in the Temple. What does this point, or yours, have
to do with the topic at hand?
>The "trials" in the kerygma are clearly theologically designed andSo? The Gospel of Peter had a clear theological agenda, and absolves
the Romans of all guilt in this matter, laying all of the blame
(absurdly) on the Jews directly. Paul has a theological agenda, and
mentions the circumstances of either Roman or Jewish involvement only
in passing in his undisputed letters, and no more than once in the
pseudonymous ones. Are we to dismiss all evidence that has a motive
behind it? That would leave us with quite a paucity of historical
evidence wouldn't you say? ;^)
>Perhaps there could have been one. But we have NO other evidenceWhy?
>for this outside the kerygmatic writings. So perhaps. But I
>seriously doubt it.
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