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24076RE: [XTalk] Pentecost and charismata

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  • Bob Schacht
    Mar 4, 2012
      At 06:18 AM 3/4/2012, Stephen Goranson wrote:
      >Bob, are you asking for discussions such as Max Weber on
      >"routinization of charisma" or Peter L. Berger on "domestication"?

      Thanks. I gather that you think these sources are relevant, and will
      look into them.

      Bob Schacht
      Northern Arizona University
      P.S. Google has its eyes on this discussion group.

      >Stephen Goranson
      >From: crosstalk2@yahoogroups.com [crosstalk2@yahoogroups.com] on
      >behalf of Bob Schacht [bobschacht@...]
      >Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 2:25 AM
      >To: crosstalk2
      >Subject: [XTalk] Pentecost and charismata
      >As portrayed in Acts, the followers of Jesus were transformed at
      >Pentecost, and there began a period of intense fellowship portrayed
      >in Acts 2 & 4. When Paul writes about his "road to Damascus"
      >experience, the Damascus congregation seems to have some of that
      >Pentecostal spirit. Then Paul writes about charismata among the
      >Corinthians a few decades later, and we seem to see something similar
      >to the original Pentecostal movement in Jerusalem. But in both cases,
      >it seems to have been difficult to sustain this charismatic
      >fellowship for long. After Acts 4, we seem to hear no more about
      >charismatic fellowship in the Jerusalem church. The later Pastorals
      >focus less attention on the Charismata than on church organization.
      >What happened?
      >Periodically, the church in various places experiences a period of
      >renewal, engendering much excitement, new converts, etc. This initial
      >stage is often, but not necessarily, pentecostal in some sense. But
      >that stage seems everywhere difficult to sustain. People get older,
      >some die, the "magic" seems to fade, and people move away. Sometimes
      >they come back, expecting everything to be the same as when they
      >left, but things have moved on in their absence. For example, when
      >Paul returns to visit the Jerusalem Church, as told in Galatians, the
      >Jerusalem church seems very different than it was portrayed in the
      >first 4 Chapters of Acts.
      >I could cite other examples from the last 50 years, or the Great
      >Awakening, or Babette's Feast, or a host of other examples, including
      >my Iowa ancestors, but I suspect someone has already researched this
      >pattern. I would be grateful if someone would share with me your
      >favorite and most insightful references so that I may understand this
      >pattern better. I think it would help us understand the development
      >of Christianity in the First Century.
      >Bob Schacht
      >Northern Arizona University
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