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24071RE: [XTalk] Judas and the sicarii ?

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  • Matson, Mark (Academic)
    Feb 10, 2012
      Bob:

      More likely this points to the fact that the meaning is really "man from Kerioth" as Jack has proposed.

      One other thing that is worth noting. For Iskariwth to be referring to sicarii we have some phonetic difficulties:

      1. The unnecessary addition of the "is-" on the front. This is more likely to be a hellenished version of "ish"
      2. The word "sicarios" has the strong iota between the sigma and the kappa, and that seems hard for me to imagine simply being elided.
      3. The form "iskariwth" has the long omega, which I guess could be an semitic feminine plural ending, but that seems odd.

      So what you would have to imagine is that (1) a Latin word (sikarius) had been Aramaized (no evidence that this Latin word did come over as a loan word in Aramaic -- I did a quick double check of Jastrow and couldn't see anythign quickly, but could stand to be corrected on this), (2) the loan word then went through some phonetic changes -- adding an "is- or ish-" on the front, and dropping a vowel in the middle, and then (3) that this then became the nickname for Judas in such a way that people knew he was really some kind of assassin or wielder of the short curved knife..

      I dunno. Sounds like the guy hailed from the town of kerioth.


      Mark A. Matson
      Milligan College
      Milligan College, TN
      http://www.milligan.edu/administrative/mmatson/personal.htm
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      From: crosstalk2@yahoogroups.com [crosstalk2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Schacht [r_schacht@...]
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      Subject: RE: [XTalk] Judas and the sicarii ?

      At 09:16 AM 2/10/2012, Matson, Mark (Academic) wrote:
      >David:
      >
      >A quick check of TLG using search string "sikar" found extensive use
      >by Josephus (AJ and BJ), and then Acts 21:38, and then by church
      >historians and fathers (Eusebius, Origen, Chrysostom, etc...).
      >
      >Earlier than Josephus (and after in secular Greek authors) the
      >string returned primarily wlesikarpos.... where the search string is
      >buried in the middle of this word...
      >
      >Doesn't appear to have been much used outside of Josephus and later
      >fathers, and always to mean assassin.

      Oh boy. The implications of that information are pretty serious.
      Judas the Assassin? Maybe he did more than turn Jesus over to the Romans?

      Bob Schacht
      Northern Arizona University


      >Mark A. Matson
      >Milligan College, TN
      >http://www.milligan.edu/administrative/mmatson/personal.htm
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