24017Raynal & Mealand Re: [XTalk] Re: 1st C CE Pentecostal dissociation
- Jan 12, 2012At 03:44 PM 1/12/2012, Gordon Raynal wrote:
>David,But it is important also to realize that Paul would not have written
>Thanks for this note.
this if he had not encountered glossolalia, and that Paul was writing
about a generation after the Crucifixion, whereas Acts purports to
describe something that happened a short time after the Crucifixion.
And Paul does refer to glossolalia as one of the gifts of the spirit,
and therefore legitimate. So we do have a phenomenon that is
important to study and understand.
>On Jan 12, 2012, at 5:21 PM, David Mealand wrote:[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > Bob points out that Paul concedes that tongues
> > could be allowed, if followed by interpretation, but
> > Paul also adds a further restrictive clause that
> > they are not allowed, if there is no interpreter there.
> > One of the problems for a pan-Pentecostal theory
> > of Christian origins is surely the severity of Paul's
> > restrictive restraints. Not all simultaneously, only two
> > per session, or three maximum, and only if an interpreter
> > is present. The spirits are subject to the prophets.
> > Not confusion but peace is the true way. This regulator
> > is not asleep at the wheel.
>Well said. Which means with interpreter's present there is a
>standard, if you will, for the content of the holy communication and
>"a place" within a broader spectrum of activities central to the
>gatherings. And this takes us back to the language of the
>community... the language of theology, ethics, wisdom.
> > Of course Paul is not banning prophecy, but he is
> > not letting it run amok. I am familiar with an occasional
> > scenario after which a Friend of long standing will say
> > "that was an unquiet meeting": a more severe rebuke than it
> > appears to be if the quantity of ministry has been
> > too plentiful.
> > David M.
> > ---------
> > David Mealand, University of Edinburgh
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