11429Re: [XTalk] Jesus, James et al and Their Observant Parents
- Nov 4 6:32 PMGordon Raynal wrote on Sunday, November 03, 2002:
(Mark Goodacre to Ted Weeden):
> >Gordon, you are correct with respect to the midrash of the Isaianic servant
> >(2) What do you make of John Painter's claim in _Just James_ that we
> >should be wary of accepting at face value the Gospels' negative
> >portrait & distancing of James (and the family of Jesus) during
> >Jesus' ministry? In other words, perhaps the family were much more
> >closely involved with Jesus' ministry and much more sympathetic to it
> >than we assume when reading the Gospels.
> Hi Mark and Ted,
> Just a couple of cents worth on this point:)! I think Painter is correct
> about this. The "disbelieving," "rejection," and "name calling" surely is
> important as a theological motif consistent with the utter abandonment of
> Jesus by ALL (rooted in the midrash of the Servant Songs of Isaiah), but I
> don't think it tells us anything about family dynamics.
songs, but the Gospel of Thomas has an authentic saying (31), in my
judgment, in which Jesus speaks of himself, I gather, as a prophet who has
been rejected by his hometown, and Thomas is not under the influence of the
> I disagree with my"autobiographical."
> Jesus Seminar friends on this and that "the Prodigal" is
> To HJ and the family saying about "who is my...," such a verbal ploy isI will post soon one of my sections of this developing monograph on the
> consistent with "the shock value" of parabolic speech.
"Jesus, the Cultic Prodigal," in which I draw upon Mahlon Smith's article,
suggesting that the Prodigal Son is an autobiographical parable, as well as
add my own further support for his theory. I will look forward to your
feedback on that piece.
> But that it suggestsIf James was a part of the movement, I have difficulty understanding how he
> "actual feelings" about HJ and his family? I don't think so. Indeed, I'd
> suggest that such a saying as Thomas 12, James being also known by a
> nickname, what Paul says of his leadership in Galatians all go to suggest
> that James was "a part of" the Kingdom Movement all along.
ended up advocating the very things that Jesus repudiated. What I have
reference to is Jesus' dismissal of the Judean cultic establishment, its
codes and its interpretation of Torah. I will post my piece on that
Thank you, Gordon, for your critique. I look forward to further dialogue.
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