Re: "the son of man is coming at an hour you don' t expect"
- At 06:20 PM 6/30/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Mark Goodacre wroteWow Mark- So the author of the gospels is now known!!!!!!!!
I knew you to be a clever chap- but how ever did you manage to live so long?
>I sure hope none of our lady participants are listening!!
>Matt. 24.43: But know this, that if the householder had known in what
>part of the night the thief was coming, he would have watched and
>would not have let his house be broken into. 24.44 Therefore you also
>must be ready; for the Son of man is coming at an hour you do not
>Luke 12.39: But know this, that if the householder had known at what
>hour the thief was coming, he would not have left his house to be
>broken into. 12.40 You also must be ready; for the Son of man is
>coming at an unexpected hour.
>Thomas 21b: Therefore I say to you, if the owner of a house knows
>that the thief is coming, he will begin his vigil before he comes and
>will not let him into his house of his domain to carry away his
>goods. You, then, be on your guard against the world. Arm yourselves
>with great strength lest the robbers find a way to come to you, for
>the difficulty which you expect will (surely) materialize. Let there
>be among you a man of understanding.
>Later how? If you mean a textual addition after the completion (!) of the
>Do you think that "the Son of Man is coming at an unexpected hour" in
>Matthew an Luke suggest a later addition?
gospels, no. This is most certainly original with the authors themselves
(Mark Goodacre, to be precise (he said with a wicked grin on his tortured,
non smoke stained face).
>Why must the Son of Man behe is not compared to a robber- the time of his coming is compared to the
>compared with a robber who we must guard against?
time of a thief's arrival.
>Sure, the son of man rides on clouds and sits at the right hand of God. SureWell, to be plain, apocalyptic thought as represented here is kinda scary.
>he girds himself with great strength. Sure he knows the thief. But why
>should this transpose into a frightening view?
>Perhaps some of these ideas arose among the prophetic in the years before!!!! Now here you are into a can o' worms- for we are not at all certain if
>the destruction of Jerusalem. Perhaps that was their dark contribution? Some
>say that in the years after the death of James an apocalyptic view took hold.
>I am sure that many of you out there are more versed than the writer about
>the insertion of apocalyptic verse into the early teachings.
Jesus was an apocalypticist or a philospher, or a cynic, or a sage, or a
prophet, or a spirit possessed loon! For myself, I take him as a
thoroughgoing apocalytpic prophet.
>joe baxterhuh? nope- sounds gnostic to me.
>P.S. There is also the possibility that the phrase originally had a
>different meaning, e.g., (1) the son of man is born of spirit, and thus is
>like the wind, which comes from who knows whence;
>(2) the son of man drawsGnostic again.
>strength in this way, he leaves no tracks, he cannot be known by the world,
>only he knows the world, he is like a thief who cannot be seen;
>(3) theNever happened. At least, not in the flesh. Mayber a spiritual apparition,
>startling appearance and disappearance of Jesus after his resurrection;
but nothing more than bad beans in my estimation.
>"You men of Galilee, why stand there gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus,Actually Jesus didn't say this- the angels did. (But they dont exist- so
>who is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as you
>have seen him go into heaven." Acts 11.
its a story!!!!)
Jim West, ThD
Pastor, Petros Baptist Church
Adjunct Professor of Bible,
Quartz Hill School of Theology